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Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:36 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Giovanni Ciriani" gciriani
Jerry, what I mean is if you have a link to read your reply in T-Nation
Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT -USA
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 5:54 PM, <JRTELLE@aol.com > wrote:
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> well of course not G -- will google it a bit though
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> JTelle
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> Lakewood CO USA
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Giovanni Ciriani <Giovanni.Ciriani@Gmail.com >
> To: Supertraining <Supertraining@yahoogroups.com >
> Sent: Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:27 am
> Subject: Re: [Supertraining] SPORTS BLACK SPRINTERS
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> Do you have the link for the post please?
> Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
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> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:15 PM, <JRTELLE@aol.com > wrote:
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> > Greetings,
> > Black athletespeed.
> > I just finished replying to a post on T nation about black sprinters. Has
> > anyone else read about this?
> > I don't know how anyone couldeven anecdotally believe they(the ones that
> > do) do not have superior speed genetics. I recently read a great article
> > which added the following fact!. Not only do black athletes (many)
> > havegreater proportions of fast twitch fibers but -- GET THIS -- THEY
> HAVE
> > WORSEMECHANICAL (SKELETAL LEVERAGE) ADVANTAGE. AHH HHHMM that is -- THEIR
> > MOMENTS ARE SHORTER!!!!! Shorter moments (worse mechanical leverage
> > factors) requires greater #'s of fast twitch fibers (greater cross
> section
> > size) to overcome the mechanical disadvantages. And when this manifests
> --
> > faster skeletal arcs!
> > The evolutionary result - big magnificent muscles to drive the poor!!
> > mechanical factors. Whether or not this transfers to strength-low power
> > (power-lifting)or strength-high power (Olympic lifting) is unresolved.
> Some
> > really good powerlifters have been black!
> > Jerry Telle
> > lakewood CO USA
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Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT -USA
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 5:54 PM, <JRTELLE@aol.
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> well of course not G -- will google it a bit though
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> JTelle
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> Lakewood CO USA
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Giovanni Ciriani <Giovanni.Ciriani@
> To: Supertraining <Supertraining@
> Sent: Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:27 am
> Subject: Re: [Supertraining] SPORTS BLACK SPRINTERS
>
> Do you have the link for the post please?
> Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
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> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:15 PM, <JRTELLE@aol.
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> > **
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Black athletespeed.
> > I just finished replying to a post on T nation about black sprinters. Has
> > anyone else read about this?
> > I don't know how anyone couldeven anecdotally believe they(the ones that
> > do) do not have superior speed genetics. I recently read a great article
> > which added the following fact!. Not only do black athletes (many)
> > havegreater proportions of fast twitch fibers but -- GET THIS -- THEY
> HAVE
> > WORSEMECHANICAL (SKELETAL LEVERAGE) ADVANTAGE. AHH HHHMM that is -- THEIR
> > MOMENTS ARE SHORTER!!!!! Shorter moments (worse mechanical leverage
> > factors) requires greater #'s of fast twitch fibers (greater cross
> section
> > size) to overcome the mechanical disadvantages. And when this manifests
> --
> > faster skeletal arcs!
> > The evolutionary result - big magnificent muscles to drive the poor!!
> > mechanical factors. Whether or not this transfers to strength-low power
> > (power-lifting)
> Some
> > really good powerlifters have been black!
> > Jerry Telle
> > lakewood CO USA
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Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:28 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"JRTELLE@AOL.COM"
Hi Ken,
Glad you posted on this -- had hoped you would. As you say there are factors to be realized when generalizations are made! One interesting one is that if one takes the fastest African heritage sprinter (except that wonderkund bolt) vs the best European heritage sprinter the time difference? is 2%? Not much really when one realizes how inferior some of these statistics makes certain members of other heritages feel!
J Telle
Lakewood CO USA
PS A good article on the matter: Google
The sprinter's advantage: Thinking outside the block
-----Original Message-----
From: CoachJ1 <CoachJ1@aol.com >
To: Supertraining <Supertraining@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Mon, Aug 27, 2012 12:46 am
Subject: Re: [Supertraining] SPORTS BLACK SPRINTERS
From Race and Sport:
"The concept of race has become meaningful only as a broad sociological
concept. This is not to say that genetic makeup is unimportant as a basis for
athletic excellence. This also does not infer that groups of people
distributed around the world do not have advantages in certain athletic
endeavors, as environment, culture, and heredity may be advantageous, in certain
instances, for producing individuals with optimal height, weight, muscle
structure, and temperament for excelling in a particular activity (e.g., Kenyans
and distance running or Norwegians and cross-country skiing). The point,
however, is that such groupings do not represent what is traditionally
believed to be racial groups.
It can be argued that even when certain groups of people scattered around
the world do have predisposing advantages for excelling in particular
activities, individuals who reach world class levels represent the extremes
within group distributions rather than its central tendency. This probably
distorts general perceptions of a group's attributes and makes differences
appear greater than they actually are."
Ken Jakalski
Lisle HS
Lisle IL USA
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Glad you posted on this -- had hoped you would. As you say there are factors to be realized when generalizations are made! One interesting one is that if one takes the fastest African heritage sprinter (except that wonderkund bolt) vs the best European heritage sprinter the time difference? is 2%? Not much really when one realizes how inferior some of these statistics makes certain members of other heritages feel!
J Telle
Lakewood CO USA
PS A good article on the matter: Google
The sprinter's advantage: Thinking outside the block
-----Original Message-----
From: CoachJ1 <CoachJ1@aol.
To: Supertraining <Supertraining@
Sent: Mon, Aug 27, 2012 12:46 am
Subject: Re: [Supertraining] SPORTS BLACK SPRINTERS
From Race and Sport:
"The concept of race has become meaningful only as a broad sociological
concept. This is not to say that genetic makeup is unimportant as a basis for
athletic excellence. This also does not infer that groups of people
distributed around the world do not have advantages in certain athletic
endeavors, as environment, culture, and heredity may be advantageous, in certain
instances, for producing individuals with optimal height, weight, muscle
structure, and temperament for excelling in a particular activity (e.g., Kenyans
and distance running or Norwegians and cross-country skiing). The point,
however, is that such groupings do not represent what is traditionally
believed to be racial groups.
It can be argued that even when certain groups of people scattered around
the world do have predisposing advantages for excelling in particular
activities, individuals who reach world class levels represent the extremes
within group distributions rather than its central tendency. This probably
distorts general perceptions of a group's attributes and makes differences
appear greater than they actually are."
Ken Jakalski
Lisle HS
Lisle IL USA
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Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:28 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"JRTELLE@AOL.COM"
Hi G it was the belief effect by Tim Henriques. Just keyword T.nation and go to articles.
J Telle
Lakewood CO USA
-----Original Message-----
From: Giovanni Ciriani <Giovanni.Ciriani@Gmail.com >
To: Supertraining <Supertraining@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Mon, Aug 27, 2012 9:36 am
Subject: Re: [Supertraining] SPORTS BLACK SPRINTERS
Jerry, what I mean is if you have a link to read your reply in T-Nation
Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT -USA
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 5:54 PM, <JRTELLE@aol.com > wrote:
> **
>
>
> well of course not G -- will google it a bit though
>
> JTelle
>
> Lakewood CO USA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Giovanni Ciriani <Giovanni.Ciriani@Gmail.com >
> To: Supertraining <Supertraining@yahoogroups.com >
> Sent: Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:27 am
> Subject: Re: [Supertraining] SPORTS BLACK SPRINTERS
>
> Do you have the link for the post please?
> Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
>
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:15 PM, <JRTELLE@aol.com > wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Black athletespeed.
> > I just finished replying to a post on T nation about black sprinters. Has
> > anyone else read about this?
> > I don't know how anyone couldeven anecdotally believe they(the ones that
> > do) do not have superior speed genetics. I recently read a great article
> > which added the following fact!. Not only do black athletes (many)
> > havegreater proportions of fast twitch fibers but -- GET THIS -- THEY
> HAVE
> > WORSEMECHANICAL (SKELETAL LEVERAGE) ADVANTAGE. AHH HHHMM that is -- THEIR
> > MOMENTS ARE SHORTER!!!!! Shorter moments (worse mechanical leverage
> > factors) requires greater #'s of fast twitch fibers (greater cross
> section
> > size) to overcome the mechanical disadvantages. And when this manifests
> --
> > faster skeletal arcs!
> > The evolutionary result - big magnificent muscles to drive the poor!!
> > mechanical factors. Whether or not this transfers to strength-low power
> > (power-lifting)or strength-high power (Olympic lifting) is unresolved.
> Some
> > really good powerlifters have been black!
> > Jerry Telle
> > lakewood CO USA
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J Telle
Lakewood CO USA
-----Original Message-----
From: Giovanni Ciriani <Giovanni.Ciriani@
To: Supertraining <Supertraining@
Sent: Mon, Aug 27, 2012 9:36 am
Subject: Re: [Supertraining] SPORTS BLACK SPRINTERS
Jerry, what I mean is if you have a link to read your reply in T-Nation
Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT -USA
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 5:54 PM, <JRTELLE@aol.
> **
>
>
> well of course not G -- will google it a bit though
>
> JTelle
>
> Lakewood CO USA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Giovanni Ciriani <Giovanni.Ciriani@
> To: Supertraining <Supertraining@
> Sent: Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:27 am
> Subject: Re: [Supertraining] SPORTS BLACK SPRINTERS
>
> Do you have the link for the post please?
> Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
>
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:15 PM, <JRTELLE@aol.
>
> > **
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Black athletespeed.
> > I just finished replying to a post on T nation about black sprinters. Has
> > anyone else read about this?
> > I don't know how anyone couldeven anecdotally believe they(the ones that
> > do) do not have superior speed genetics. I recently read a great article
> > which added the following fact!. Not only do black athletes (many)
> > havegreater proportions of fast twitch fibers but -- GET THIS -- THEY
> HAVE
> > WORSEMECHANICAL (SKELETAL LEVERAGE) ADVANTAGE. AHH HHHMM that is -- THEIR
> > MOMENTS ARE SHORTER!!!!! Shorter moments (worse mechanical leverage
> > factors) requires greater #'s of fast twitch fibers (greater cross
> section
> > size) to overcome the mechanical disadvantages. And when this manifests
> --
> > faster skeletal arcs!
> > The evolutionary result - big magnificent muscles to drive the poor!!
> > mechanical factors. Whether or not this transfers to strength-low power
> > (power-lifting)
> Some
> > really good powerlifters have been black!
> > Jerry Telle
> > lakewood CO USA
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