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- Re: How The Biggest Loser Promotes Weight Bias | Dr. Sharma's Obesit From: samuel9888
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- Re: How The Biggest Loser Promotes Weight Bias | Dr. Sharma's Obesit From: efreem3407@aol.com
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Re: How The Biggest Loser Promotes Weight Bias | Dr. Sharma's Obesit
Posted by: "samuel9888" Sam68123@cox.net samuel9888
Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:32 am (PDT)
Hi Linda,
I wanted to correct a misconception in your post.
ACSM did not perform the study. The panel discussion cited results from the following:
http://thomsonreuters.com/content/ press_room/ healthcare/ tr_poll_half_ americans_ believe_shows_ positive
If you read that article, the results are from those who are regular viewers of such programs. Not people who look in on one or two episodes.
Also, one panelist, a nutrition faculty member, said she had been watching the program since season 3, waiting for someone on the show to say something she took issue with from a nutrition standpoint. So far, nothing has come up. She noted that this season, the dietitian seems to be on camera; a person in the discussion audience said that she knew they had always had a dietitian behind the scenes on the show, even though the trainers dispensed the nutrition advice on camera.
Sure, the show can be the top and definitely unrealistic; that's why it's on TV--it's not a documentary. However, a person who chooses to take the term "loser" in the title as before the fact insult is probably not quite ready to change.
I agree that the media and the medical industry is way too focused on weight and "fatness" and not about the inactivity epidemic we have. The bottom line for death and disease (mortality and morbidity in the epidemiology language) really is about fitness, fitness at any weight.
Teresa Merrick, Ph.D.
Bellevue, NE
--- In Supertraining@yahoogroups. , deadliftdiva@com ... wrote:
>
> I looked in on a couple of this season's shows after reading the first posting. I have to say that the infighting and emotional stress that cast members put on each other, plus the over the top behavior of one of the trainers is very off putting. If there was a message there, it was "eliminate somebody succeeding with their weight loss because they're a threat" and "anything short of collapse is not doing enough for dramatic weight loss". If everybody did as this show suggests by example, we'd have a lot more calls to 911 and have heavy folks trying to submarine each other rather than support.
>
>
> This does not look like sanity. This is not encouraging to someone who might want to change their lifestyle - it suggests you have to have a crazy coach, and have to be secluded from your normal life. This is not what most people can afford to do, or realistically SHOULD DO.
>
>
> You cannot keep up the nutty efforts they make on this show for LIFE.
>
>
> Also, what is the rate at which former cast members regain weight? My understanding is not all past 'winners' have kept the weight down - no matter how carefully they select their cast - and they ARE hand selected - there are "failures" post show.....
>
>
> How large a group was the ACSM studying? and of the folks who were obese, how many actually did anything after their "positive response" to the broadcast? Did they go out and hire trainers, and diet help? How many succeeded in extreme weight loss and maintained it?
>
>
> Also it is my understanding that "Jillian" from the earlier years of this show is being sued? Something about unhealthy supplements she was helping to sell?
>
>
> I think the original posting is much closer to the mark. Sizism or what you wish to call it certainly is around and doing very well in American society. The show is helping to make the rift worse.
>
>
> One example - I was in a dress shop recently and a lady who appeared to be very high strung, had almost no body with bones protruding (and zero bodyfat from the appearance) had tried on a size 0 and then demanded to know from the lady assisting her whether this had been "stretched out by someone fat". After the shop lady recovered from the phrasing of the question - I mean, how fat are you at size 0 or2 or ? - she pointed out that only 1 other lady had tried the dress on and she believed it was still quite proper to the size. She also said if this lady wished, they would order her one and if necessary, alter it to meet her needs....inward.
>
>
> Fat at size 0?? what sort of mental process or lack does it take to arrive THERE?
>
>
> Second example - years ago, I was competing on the platform. One of the judges was a lightweight lifter who threw nothing but red lights at all the ladies in my flight in the squat and after 2 rounds, they removed her. Why? Because she didn't like FAT people. Even said it outright in the hall at the break. :( The flight had been the 82.5, 90 kg, and shw. Luckily the other 2 judges had passed most of the lifts and nobody bombed out because of her, but still....sigh.
>
>
> Third - as a massage therapist, I work with all sizes. I've heard coworkers and gals I went to school with proclaim that they didn't want to work on anybody who was fat... (some made it "old and fat").
>
>
> BBC America did a show where they took a couple of ladies and pointedly put them through mental and physical evals to be sure they were up to the study, then had them fight their way down to a very small size from a normal weight by any means possible. One (a journalist) had a sort of breakdown and had to be removed from the study..... One of the participants ate her way back to her normal weight afterward but nearly broke her relationship during the whole thing. They showed the methods the participants used. They also detailed and followed up after the study to show what happened. The journalist was still struggling with the behaviors that had caused her to quit the study. They were all hell to be around, miserable, and I think a far more realistic portrayal of what does go on with models and others who intentionally force weight loss down to a tiny size really have to do to get there and maintain it.
>
>
> The use of the word "loser" in that title of the show is appropriate - for it's meant to point out how bad these folks' lives are for simply being fat. From what they show of the audition tapes, you have to be desperate enough to degrade YOURSELF on there before they allow you in.
>
>
> Trying to sell folks on a sane idea of walking more steps vs. the glory of loserdom is probably not going to work. By the way - I've seen very overweight ER nurses who had pedometers on and did about 10,000 steps a day....just how much further do they need to walk on tired legs before their weight moves? Bodies acclimate to the stresses we put them under and well, I'm not convinced the one guy I saw (about 6'5" and 400ish?) is going to lose significant weight from his pedometer clicking over daily. Sigh. He was a very good nurse by the way - very gentle and good manner with the gal he was working on.
>
>
> One size never did fit all. It's the biggest loser myth.
>
>
> The Phantom
> aka Linda Schaefer, CMT/RMT, competing powerlifter
> Denver, Colorado USA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "samuel9888" <Sam68123@...>
> To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 9:51:40 AM
> Subject: [Supertraining] Re: How The Biggest Loser Promotes Weight Bias | Dr. Sharma's Obesity Notes
>
> A panel presentation last week at ACSM's Health and Fitness Summit cited research on the effects of reality TV about weight loss on respondents. 57% said the programs have influenced their eating habits and 48% said the shows influenced their exercise behavior. The percentages were dramatically higher among obese respondents (72%/73% respectively). BL has spawned grassroots spinoffs of the idea at workplaces, communities, and other areas. The segments portrayed on the shows are only a small part of the entire process and obviously selected to heighten the drama and viewer involvement. In addition, Tara Costa gave a keynote address about her experience on BL and "living a new lifestyle" (from the title of the presentation) . Most informative!
>
> We don't know what 40-minute segment (or combination of segments to equal 40 minutes) of the show was used to conduct the research by Domoff et al. There is room for both perspectives regarding the show: some positive elements and some negative elements. One truth about BL and its clones is that they focus on outcomes vs behavior. How about a "Biggest Mover" contestâ€"a pedometer step challenge?
>
> Teresa Merrick, Ph.D.
> ACSM HFS, NSCA-CPT/CSCS
> Bellevue, NE
>
> --- In Supertraining@yahoogroups. , David Supertraining International <david@> wrote:com
> >
> > http://www.drsharma.ca/how-the- biggest-loser- promotes- weight-bias. html
> >
> > David Driscoll
> > Sydney, Australia.
- 1b.
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Re: How The Biggest Loser Promotes Weight Bias | Dr. Sharma's Obesit
Posted by: "efreem3407@aol.com" efreem3407@aol.com powerlifter4231
Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:32 am (PDT)
The biggest loser is a game show.
The physical competitions that the biggest loser contestants do, while fun to watch, are not really great forms of exercise and some of those physical competitions cause injury. Bob and Jillian are healthy but I don't want to look like either one of them. Besides I've never even once seen Bob use a barbell or dumbbell. I've never done any of the non traditional exercises that the trainers have the contestants do. I don't kick box. I don't use a heavy bag or speed bag. I don't pull any ropes. I don't use a landmine. All I really do for exercise are some dumbbell and barbell exercises and some walking. I don't workout twice a day or exercise after every meal. The way the show is shown on TV, every time the contestants eat they go workout about an hour later. Plus these contestants do so much cardio. They are doing cardio twice a day and cardio in every workout session. Plus, if you need a trainer to yell at you that much and push you that much to exercise you aren't going to be motivated to exercise on your own. A lot of people don't have access to a lot of the equipment on the Biggest Loser. Most people really only have access to what's in their local gym which is usually barbells, dumbbells, weight training machines, and cardio machines.
Edwin Freeman, Jr.
San Francisco, USA
-----Original Message-----
From: deadliftdiva <deadliftdiva@comcast.net >
To: Supertraining <Supertraining@yahoogroups. >com
Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 2:33 pm
Subject: Re: [Supertraining] Re: How The Biggest Loser Promotes Weight Bias | Dr. Sharma's Obesity Notes
I looked in on a couple of this season's shows after reading the first posting.
I have to say that the infighting and emotional stress that cast members put on
each other, plus the over the top behavior of one of the trainers is very off
putting. If there was a message there, it was "eliminate somebody succeeding
with their weight loss because they're a threat" and "anything short of collapse
is not doing enough for dramatic weight loss". If everybody did as this show
suggests by example, we'd have a lot more calls to 911 and have heavy folks
trying to submarine each other rather than support.
This does not look like sanity. This is not encouraging to someone who might
want to change their lifestyle - it suggests you have to have a crazy coach, and
have to be secluded from your normal life. This is not what most people can
afford to do, or realistically SHOULD DO.
You cannot keep up the nutty efforts they make on this show for LIFE.
Also, what is the rate at which former cast members regain weight? My
understanding is not all past 'winners' have kept the weight down - no matter
how carefully they select their cast - and they ARE hand selected - there are
"failures" post show.....
How large a group was the ACSM studying? and of the folks who were obese, how
many actually did anything after their "positive response" to the broadcast? Did
they go out and hire trainers, and diet help? How many succeeded in extreme
weight loss and maintained it?
Also it is my understanding that "Jillian" from the earlier years of this show
is being sued? Something about unhealthy supplements she was helping to sell?
I think the original posting is much closer to the mark. Sizism or what you wish
to call it certainly is around and doing very well in American society. The show
is helping to make the rift worse.
One example - I was in a dress shop recently and a lady who appeared to be very
high strung, had almost no body with bones protruding (and zero bodyfat from the
appearance) had tried on a size 0 and then demanded to know from the lady
assisting her whether this had been "stretched out by someone fat". After the
shop lady recovered from the phrasing of the question - I mean, how fat are you
at size 0 or2 or ? - she pointed out that only 1 other lady had tried the dress
on and she believed it was still quite proper to the size. She also said if this
lady wished, they would order her one and if necessary, alter it to meet her
needs....inward.
Fat at size 0?? what sort of mental process or lack does it take to arrive
THERE?
Second example - years ago, I was competing on the platform. One of the judges
was a lightweight lifter who threw nothing but red lights at all the ladies in
my flight in the squat and after 2 rounds, they removed her. Why? Because she
didn't like FAT people. Even said it outright in the hall at the break. :( The
flight had been the 82.5, 90 kg, and shw. Luckily the other 2 judges had passed
most of the lifts and nobody bombed out because of her, but still....sigh.
Third - as a massage therapist, I work with all sizes. I've heard coworkers and
gals I went to school with proclaim that they didn't want to work on anybody who
was fat... (some made it "old and fat").
BBC America did a show where they took a couple of ladies and pointedly put them
through mental and physical evals to be sure they were up to the study, then had
them fight their way down to a very small size from a normal weight by any means
possible. One (a journalist) had a sort of breakdown and had to be removed from
the study..... One of the participants ate her way back to her normal weight
afterward but nearly broke her relationship during the whole thing. They showed
the methods the participants used. They also detailed and followed up after the
study to show what happened. The journalist was still struggling with the
behaviors that had caused her to quit the study. They were all hell to be
around, miserable, and I think a far more realistic portrayal of what does go on
with models and others who intentionally force weight loss down to a tiny size
really have to do to get there and maintain it.
The use of the word "loser" in that title of the show is appropriate - for it's
meant to point out how bad these folks' lives are for simply being fat. From
what they show of the audition tapes, you have to be desperate enough to degrade
YOURSELF on there before they allow you in.
Trying to sell folks on a sane idea of walking more steps vs. the glory of
loserdom is probably not going to work. By the way - I've seen very overweight
ER nurses who had pedometers on and did about 10,000 steps a day....just how
much further do they need to walk on tired legs before their weight moves?
Bodies acclimate to the stresses we put them under and well, I'm not convinced
the one guy I saw (about 6'5" and 400ish?) is going to lose significant weight
from his pedometer clicking over daily. Sigh. He was a very good nurse by the
way - very gentle and good manner with the gal he was working on.
One size never did fit all. It's the biggest loser myth.
The Phantom
aka Linda Schaefer, CMT/RMT, competing powerlifter
Denver, Colorado USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "samuel9888" <Sam68123@cox.net >
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 9:51:40 AM
Subject: [Supertraining] Re: How The Biggest Loser Promotes Weight Bias | Dr.
Sharma's Obesity Notes
A panel presentation last week at ACSM's Health and Fitness Summit cited
research on the effects of reality TV about weight loss on respondents. 57% said
the programs have influenced their eating habits and 48% said the shows
influenced their exercise behavior. The percentages were dramatically higher
among obese respondents (72%/73% respectively). BL has spawned grassroots
spinoffs of the idea at workplaces, communities, and other areas. The segments
portrayed on the shows are only a small part of the entire process and obviously
selected to heighten the drama and viewer involvement. In addition, Tara Costa
gave a keynote address about her experience on BL and "living a new lifestyle"
(from the title of the presentation). Most informative!
We don't know what 40-minute segment (or combination of segments to equal 40
minutes) of the show was used to conduct the research by Domoff et al. There is
room for both perspectives regarding the show: some positive elements and some
negative elements. One truth about BL and its clones is that they focus on
outcomes vs behavior. How about a "Biggest Mover" contestâ€"a pedometer step
challenge?
Teresa Merrick, Ph.D.
ACSM HFS, NSCA-CPT/CSCS
Bellevue, NE
--- In Supertraining@yahoogroups. , David Supertraining Internationalcom
<david@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.drsharma.ca/how-the- biggest-loser- promotes- weight-bias. html
>
> David Driscoll
> Sydney, Australia.
>
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