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Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Giovanni Ciriani" gciriani
Charlie Francis was indeed a great coach. It's ironic and bitter sweet that
we are discovering only now he had much higher integrity of most other
coaches.
Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 12:24 PM, <CoachJ1@aol.com > wrote:
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> The Race that Shocked the World appeared on the BBC awhile back. ESPN's
> 30 for 30 recently broadcast 9.79.
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> As Shane McNeil noted:
>
> "The race in Seoul is seeing a renaissance of sorts thanks to 9.79*. The
> film takes a look at the Final 24 years later in the context of
> information
> released since that changes the narrative that was once perceived as a
> cheating Johnson blowing away a clean field."
> As ESPN's Mike Fish noted in talking about one of the key figures in the
> scandal, legendary Coach Charlie Francis:
> "Francis didn't run from the truth, though. Unlike recent developments
> that
> have seen some prominent U.S. athletes and coaches facing perjury charges
> after being questioned by federal investigators and even by Congress, he
> didn't deny his connection to steroids.
> When Canadian authorities impaneled the Dubin Inquiry to investigate the
> doping scandal after Seoul, Francis was the first witness called,
> testifying
> for eight days. He acknowledged responsibility for introducing Johnson to
> performance-enhancing drugs. He helped set the tone for the hearings when
> he
> testified to the widespread use of drugs. As the late Charles Dubin wrote
> of Francis in his 638-page report: "He believed that the majority of world
> records broken in sprint events in recent years were achieved by athletes
> who were on steroids and that the dramatic improvement of their
> performance
> could only be explained in that way. In his opinion, in order to compete
> successfully against those athletes at the very top level, an athlete had
> to
> take steroids."
> Ken Jakalski
>
> Lisle,Illinois
>
> USA
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we are discovering only now he had much higher integrity of most other
coaches.
Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 12:24 PM, <CoachJ1@aol.
> **
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>
> The Race that Shocked the World appeared on the BBC awhile back. ESPN's
> 30 for 30 recently broadcast 9.79.
>
> As Shane McNeil noted:
>
> "The race in Seoul is seeing a renaissance of sorts thanks to 9.79*. The
> film takes a look at the Final 24 years later in the context of
> information
> released since that changes the narrative that was once perceived as a
> cheating Johnson blowing away a clean field."
> As ESPN's Mike Fish noted in talking about one of the key figures in the
> scandal, legendary Coach Charlie Francis:
> "Francis didn't run from the truth, though. Unlike recent developments
> that
> have seen some prominent U.S. athletes and coaches facing perjury charges
> after being questioned by federal investigators and even by Congress, he
> didn't deny his connection to steroids.
> When Canadian authorities impaneled the Dubin Inquiry to investigate the
> doping scandal after Seoul, Francis was the first witness called,
> testifying
> for eight days. He acknowledged responsibility for introducing Johnson to
> performance-
> he
> testified to the widespread use of drugs. As the late Charles Dubin wrote
> of Francis in his 638-page report: "He believed that the majority of world
> records broken in sprint events in recent years were achieved by athletes
> who were on steroids and that the dramatic improvement of their
> performance
> could only be explained in that way. In his opinion, in order to compete
> successfully against those athletes at the very top level, an athlete had
> to
> take steroids."
> Ken Jakalski
>
> Lisle,Illinois
>
> USA
>
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Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:51 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Ralph Giarnella" ragiarn
[quote] In his opinion, in order to compete
successfully against those athletes at the very top level, an athlete had to
take steroids." [/quote]
This has probably been the underlying thought process in athletics especially at the highest level. There is an interesting history of doping at the Tour De France dating back to 1903.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_at_the_Tour_de_France
The article is well worth reading even if you are not interested in cycling. It gives a great insight into performance enhancing drugs in athletics going back 100 years. The question may be asked is not "who was not doping but who won and was not caught doping".
Ralph Giarnella MD
Southington Ct. USA
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From: "CoachJ1@aol.com " <CoachJ1@aol.com >
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:24 PM
Subject: [Supertraining] The Race that Shocked the World
The Race that Shocked the World appeared on the BBC awhile back. ESPN's
30 for 30 recently broadcast 9.79.
As Shane McNeil noted:
"The race in Seoul is seeing a renaissance of sorts thanks to 9.79*. The
film takes a look at the Final 24 years later in the context of information
released since that changes the narrative that was once perceived as a
cheating Johnson blowing away a clean field."
As ESPN's Mike Fish noted in talking about one of the key figures in the
scandal, legendary Coach Charlie Francis:
"Francis didn't run from the truth, though. Unlike recent developments that
have seen some prominent U.S. athletes and coaches facing perjury charges
after being questioned by federal investigators and even by Congress, he
didn't deny his connection to steroids.
When Canadian authorities impaneled the Dubin Inquiry to investigate the
doping scandal after Seoul, Francis was the first witness called, testifying
for eight days. He acknowledged responsibility for introducing Johnson to
performance-enhancing drugs. He helped set the tone for the hearings when he
testified to the widespread use of drugs. As the late Charles Dubin wrote
of Francis in his 638-page report: "He believed that the majority of world
records broken in sprint events in recent years were achieved by athletes
who were on steroids and that the dramatic improvement of their performance
could only be explained in that way. In his opinion, in order to compete
successfully against those athletes at the very top level, an athlete had to
take steroids."
Ken Jakalski
Lisle,Illinois
USA
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successfully against those athletes at the very top level, an athlete had to
take steroids." [/
This has probably been the underlying thought process in athletics especially at the highest level. There is an interesting history of doping at the Tour De France dating back to 1903.
http://en.wikipedia
The article is well worth reading even if you are not interested in cycling. It gives a great insight into performance enhancing drugs in athletics going back 100 years. The question may be asked is not "who was not doping but who won and was not caught doping".
Ralph Giarnella MD
Southington Ct. USA
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From: "CoachJ1@aol.
To: Supertraining@
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:24 PM
Subject: [Supertraining] The Race that Shocked the World
The Race that Shocked the World appeared on the BBC awhile back. ESPN's
30 for 30 recently broadcast 9.79.
As Shane McNeil noted:
"The race in Seoul is seeing a renaissance of sorts thanks to 9.79*. The
film takes a look at the Final 24 years later in the context of information
released since that changes the narrative that was once perceived as a
cheating Johnson blowing away a clean field."
As ESPN's Mike Fish noted in talking about one of the key figures in the
scandal, legendary Coach Charlie Francis:
"Francis didn't run from the truth, though. Unlike recent developments that
have seen some prominent U.S. athletes and coaches facing perjury charges
after being questioned by federal investigators and even by Congress, he
didn't deny his connection to steroids.
When Canadian authorities impaneled the Dubin Inquiry to investigate the
doping scandal after Seoul, Francis was the first witness called, testifying
for eight days. He acknowledged responsibility for introducing Johnson to
performance-
testified to the widespread use of drugs. As the late Charles Dubin wrote
of Francis in his 638-page report: "He believed that the majority of world
records broken in sprint events in recent years were achieved by athletes
who were on steroids and that the dramatic improvement of their performance
could only be explained in that way. In his opinion, in order to compete
successfully against those athletes at the very top level, an athlete had to
take steroids."
Ken Jakalski
Lisle,Illinois
USA
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Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:58 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"JRTELLE@AOL.COM"
Ken!! What's your take?
And I watched w/ great interest that fellow racing in the Olympics w/ artificial legs!! Remembering our conversations I think this will soon border on excessive advantage?? And I didn't notice much "pogo sticking'? But more linear forces??
Jerry telle lakewood CO USA
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From: CoachJ1 <CoachJ1@aol.com >
To: Supertraining <Supertraining@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 9:28 am
Subject: [Supertraining] The Race that Shocked the World
The Race that Shocked the World appeared on the BBC awhile back. ESPN's
30 for 30 recently broadcast 9.79.
As Shane McNeil noted:
"The race in Seoul is seeing a renaissance of sorts thanks to 9.79*. The
film takes a look at the Final 24 years later in the context of information
released since that changes the narrative that was once perceived as a
cheating Johnson blowing away a clean field."
As ESPN's Mike Fish noted in talking about one of the key figures in the
scandal, legendary Coach Charlie Francis:
"Francis didn't run from the truth, though. Unlike recent developments that
have seen some prominent U.S. athletes and coaches facing perjury charges
after being questioned by federal investigators and even by Congress, he
didn't deny his connection to steroids.
When Canadian authorities impaneled the Dubin Inquiry to investigate the
doping scandal after Seoul, Francis was the first witness called, testifying
for eight days. He acknowledged responsibility for introducing Johnson to
performance-enhancing drugs. He helped set the tone for the hearings when he
testified to the widespread use of drugs. As the late Charles Dubin wrote
of Francis in his 638-page report: "He believed that the majority of world
records broken in sprint events in recent years were achieved by athletes
who were on steroids and that the dramatic improvement of their performance
could only be explained in that way. In his opinion, in order to compete
successfully against those athletes at the very top level, an athlete had to
take steroids."
Ken Jakalski
Lisle,Illinois
USA
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And I watched w/ great interest that fellow racing in the Olympics w/ artificial legs!! Remembering our conversations I think this will soon border on excessive advantage?? And I didn't notice much "pogo sticking'? But more linear forces??
Jerry telle lakewood CO USA
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From: CoachJ1 <CoachJ1@aol.
To: Supertraining <Supertraining@
Sent: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 9:28 am
Subject: [Supertraining] The Race that Shocked the World
The Race that Shocked the World appeared on the BBC awhile back. ESPN's
30 for 30 recently broadcast 9.79.
As Shane McNeil noted:
"The race in Seoul is seeing a renaissance of sorts thanks to 9.79*. The
film takes a look at the Final 24 years later in the context of information
released since that changes the narrative that was once perceived as a
cheating Johnson blowing away a clean field."
As ESPN's Mike Fish noted in talking about one of the key figures in the
scandal, legendary Coach Charlie Francis:
"Francis didn't run from the truth, though. Unlike recent developments that
have seen some prominent U.S. athletes and coaches facing perjury charges
after being questioned by federal investigators and even by Congress, he
didn't deny his connection to steroids.
When Canadian authorities impaneled the Dubin Inquiry to investigate the
doping scandal after Seoul, Francis was the first witness called, testifying
for eight days. He acknowledged responsibility for introducing Johnson to
performance-
testified to the widespread use of drugs. As the late Charles Dubin wrote
of Francis in his 638-page report: "He believed that the majority of world
records broken in sprint events in recent years were achieved by athletes
who were on steroids and that the dramatic improvement of their performance
could only be explained in that way. In his opinion, in order to compete
successfully against those athletes at the very top level, an athlete had to
take steroids."
Ken Jakalski
Lisle,Illinois
USA
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Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:59 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Ralph Giarnella" ragiarn
Just came across this article re: Lance Armstrong and doping. It may be relevant to this present discussion.
http://ideas.time.com/2012/10/12/lance-armstrong-had-little-choice-but-to-dope/
One of my patients, who is now a football coach, told me recently, that when he was playing high school football, 20 years ago, there was extensive use of PEDs in some local high school football programs.
I certainly don't condone or excuse the use of PEDs in sports, but are we naive enough to think that, especially at the highest level of sports, some form of PEDs are being used to gain that little edge necessary to keep an individual near the top?
The problem in cycling is that if they strip LA of his TDF titles who are they going to give them to? Most of the runner ups have already been implicated or proven to have used PEDS.
Ralph Giarnella MD
Southington Ct. USA
--- On Thu, 10/11/12, CoachJ1@aol.com <CoachJ1@aol.com > wrote:
> From: CoachJ1@aol.com <CoachJ1@aol.com >
> Subject: [Supertraining] The Race that Shocked the World
> To: Supertraining@yahoogroups.com
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> 30 for 30 recently broadcast 9.79.
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> As Shane McNeil noted:
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> "The race in Seoul is seeing a renaissance of sorts
> thanks to 9.79*. The
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> film takes a look at the Final 24 years later in the
> context of information
>
> released since that changes the narrative that was once
> perceived as a
>
> cheating Johnson blowing away a clean field."
>
> As ESPN's Mike Fish noted in talking about one of the
> key figures in the
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> scandal, legendary Coach Charlie Francis:
>
> "Francis didn't run from the truth, though. Unlike
> recent developments that
>
> have seen some prominent U.S. athletes and coaches facing
> perjury charges
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> after being questioned by federal investigators and even by
> Congress, he
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> didn't deny his connection to steroids.
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> When Canadian authorities impaneled the Dubin Inquiry to
> investigate the
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> doping scandal after Seoul, Francis was the first witness
> called, testifying
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> for eight days. He acknowledged responsibility for
> introducing Johnson to
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> performance-enhancing drugs. He helped set the tone for the
> hearings when he
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> testified to the widespread use of drugs. As the late
> Charles Dubin wrote
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> of Francis in his 638-page report: "He believed that
> the majority of world
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> records broken in sprint events in recent years were
> achieved by athletes
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> who were on steroids and that the dramatic improvement of
> their performance
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> could only be explained in that way. In his opinion, in
> order to compete
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> successfully against those athletes at the very top level,
> an athlete had to
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> take steroids."
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One of my patients, who is now a football coach, told me recently, that when he was playing high school football, 20 years ago, there was extensive use of PEDs in some local high school football programs.
I certainly don't condone or excuse the use of PEDs in sports, but are we naive enough to think that, especially at the highest level of sports, some form of PEDs are being used to gain that little edge necessary to keep an individual near the top?
The problem in cycling is that if they strip LA of his TDF titles who are they going to give them to? Most of the runner ups have already been implicated or proven to have used PEDS.
Ralph Giarnella MD
Southington Ct. USA
--- On Thu, 10/11/12, CoachJ1@aol.
> From: CoachJ1@aol.
> Subject: [Supertraining] The Race that Shocked the World
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> As Shane McNeil noted:
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> "The race in Seoul is seeing a renaissance of sorts
> thanks to 9.79*. The
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> film takes a look at the Final 24 years later in the
> context of information
>
> released since that changes the narrative that was once
> perceived as a
>
> cheating Johnson blowing away a clean field."
>
> As ESPN's Mike Fish noted in talking about one of the
> key figures in the
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> scandal, legendary Coach Charlie Francis:
>
> "Francis didn't run from the truth, though. Unlike
> recent developments that
>
> have seen some prominent U.S. athletes and coaches facing
> perjury charges
>
> after being questioned by federal investigators and even by
> Congress, he
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> didn't deny his connection to steroids.
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> When Canadian authorities impaneled the Dubin Inquiry to
> investigate the
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> doping scandal after Seoul, Francis was the first witness
> called, testifying
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> for eight days. He acknowledged responsibility for
> introducing Johnson to
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> performance-
> hearings when he
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> testified to the widespread use of drugs. As the late
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> of Francis in his 638-page report: "He believed that
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> achieved by athletes
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> who were on steroids and that the dramatic improvement of
> their performance
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> could only be explained in that way. In his opinion, in
> order to compete
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Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:59 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"CoachJ1@aol.com" coachj12002
Hi Giovanni!
In a message dated 10/13/2012 12:51:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
Giovanni.Ciriani@Gmail.com writes:
Charlie Francis was indeed a great coach. It's ironic and bitter sweet that
we are discovering only now he had much higher integrity of most other
coaches.
Good points, and good description.
As Robert Armstrong,lead counsel in the now famous Dubin inquiry noted:
"I have to tip my hat to Charlie Francis. He broke the rules but, for
whatever reason, at the end of the day he decided to come clean and in his own
way became a bit of a heroic figure. And like a lot of heroes, he also
became a tragic figure at the same time."
Charlie's story will always be complicated. Those who knew him well, like
sprinter Angela Issajenko, always held him in the highest regard. Issajenko
thought Charlie was brilliant. Her comments indicated that she loved him,
and believed everything he said to her. "Charlie was the most amazing
person in the world to me. I want to hold onto the amazing memories and cherish
them,"
My experiences with Charlie go back to my early Supertraining years.
Despite some dustups generated by the JAP2000 study, Charlie always treated me
well. Those who knew Charlie more intimately, like Tom Green, always felt
that there wasn't a whole lot of difference between what we were both saying
relative to training issues.
To this day, Charlie remains the one coach I quote most often.
Ken Jakalski
Lisle High School
Lisle, IL USA
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In a message dated 10/13/2012 12:51:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
Giovanni.Ciriani@
Charlie Francis was indeed a great coach. It's ironic and bitter sweet that
we are discovering only now he had much higher integrity of most other
coaches.
Good points, and good description.
As Robert Armstrong,lead counsel in the now famous Dubin inquiry noted:
"I have to tip my hat to Charlie Francis. He broke the rules but, for
whatever reason, at the end of the day he decided to come clean and in his own
way became a bit of a heroic figure. And like a lot of heroes, he also
became a tragic figure at the same time."
Charlie's story will always be complicated. Those who knew him well, like
sprinter Angela Issajenko, always held him in the highest regard. Issajenko
thought Charlie was brilliant. Her comments indicated that she loved him,
and believed everything he said to her. "Charlie was the most amazing
person in the world to me. I want to hold onto the amazing memories and cherish
them,"
My experiences with Charlie go back to my early Supertraining years.
Despite some dustups generated by the JAP2000 study, Charlie always treated me
well. Those who knew Charlie more intimately, like Tom Green, always felt
that there wasn't a whole lot of difference between what we were both saying
relative to training issues.
To this day, Charlie remains the one coach I quote most often.
Ken Jakalski
Lisle High School
Lisle, IL USA
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Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:51 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Perez, Miguel" metalhead2_mx
All,
I tore a calf six days ago doing standing calf raises - positive using both feet, negative only one foot. This was at the end of a rather severe leg workout so I was very well warmed up, and it was a weight I had used before. It went on the first rep. Twang! I screamed, dropped the weight, grabbed my calf, and hopscotched home.
Bruising is very tenuous, and the swelling isn't that horrific. The calf only measures half or three-quarters of an inch more than normal, but this has been slow to subside and actually obscures details so I'm still not able to tell if there is disfiguration, if a part of the muscle bunched up, rolled up, or slid sideways. There are no bumps, and no loose ribbons of muscle tissue that I can detect.
The tear seems to have taken place along the gastroc/soleus tie-in, across the back and inner face of the calf. The Achilles tendon is unaffected. There is a lot of stiffness and noticeable pain when getting up after being seated for more than a few minutes, but I can walk almost normally after moving around or simply standing for a short while. In truth, I've suffered much more intense pain several times from simply the DOMS derived from an excessive calf workout. Still, I want to make sure this heals right.
I haven't seen a doctor. I'm not taking any anti-inflammatories, painkillers, or anything such. I haven't wrapped or bandaged the leg in any way, not am I wearing any kind of splint or support. My focus has been simply on eating a lot of protein (raw material!) and on keeping the area working so there is good blood flow around the injury and so as to keep stiffness away. I was able to get in a decent leg workout yesterday without any acute pain - although in hindsight, doing a high-rep set of seated calf raises without weight did more harm than good and caused the inflammation to worsen marginally today.
Has anyone else here suffered a similar tear, and if so could you please offer any insight or suggestions? What about time to recovery?
Thanks,
Miguel Pérez
Reynosa, Mexico
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I tore a calf six days ago doing standing calf raises - positive using both feet, negative only one foot. This was at the end of a rather severe leg workout so I was very well warmed up, and it was a weight I had used before. It went on the first rep. Twang! I screamed, dropped the weight, grabbed my calf, and hopscotched home.
Bruising is very tenuous, and the swelling isn't that horrific. The calf only measures half or three-quarters of an inch more than normal, but this has been slow to subside and actually obscures details so I'm still not able to tell if there is disfiguration, if a part of the muscle bunched up, rolled up, or slid sideways. There are no bumps, and no loose ribbons of muscle tissue that I can detect.
The tear seems to have taken place along the gastroc/soleus tie-in, across the back and inner face of the calf. The Achilles tendon is unaffected. There is a lot of stiffness and noticeable pain when getting up after being seated for more than a few minutes, but I can walk almost normally after moving around or simply standing for a short while. In truth, I've suffered much more intense pain several times from simply the DOMS derived from an excessive calf workout. Still, I want to make sure this heals right.
I haven't seen a doctor. I'm not taking any anti-inflammatories
Has anyone else here suffered a similar tear, and if so could you please offer any insight or suggestions? What about time to recovery?
Thanks,
Miguel Pérez
Reynosa, Mexico
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