Sunday, 25 March 2012

[Supertraining] Digest Number 4534

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Re: Dynamic Variable Neuromuscular Stimulation Systems

Posted by: "headcmu03" sjkcscs@hotmail.com   headcmu03

Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:06 am (PDT)



I don't know anything about "The Facility" but there's a pretty neat graph in the files section about TUT that I recommend you look at.

Steve Krzyminski
Indianapolis, IN

--- In Supertraining@yahoogroups.com, "mcm.certifiedtrainer" <mcm.fitness@...> wrote:
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> I met with a company called, "The Facility" It is a gym only for trainers to train there clients in, if the trainer does not have his or her own studio......While there. I was advised that if I wanted to train some of The Facility's members or clients, I would have to take their course in DVNS System.
>
> I was also given a very small demo. This was done doing the bench press, the first thing that I noticed was that the trainer was sort of in my face, standing very close, making personal contact almost from the begining. He adivsed that I should do three sets of 10 reps, and when that was done, we did half rep, one arm reps, other motion reps, the idea was to lift the bar to his hands, so the trainer was in constend fontal contact with you. When it was done I noticed a pretty good burn in my chest. Oh one other thing....when you pressed on this chest press machine your whole body moved srt of up and fowards, very strange movement, but smoother than any other machine I have ever been on
>
> Here is the question.....Since I am 71 years old, and specialize in 50 year old clients and above...I have what they need. I was promised that they would be able to supple me with all the clients I wanted, but I had to take there 16 hour course first for a fee of 500.00
>
> Has anyone heard of this system? Does anyone have any clinical studies, or even other not so clinical studies on this system. Before I pay to do something I may totally opposed to I would love to get some information from any who may have it. From my short time with this, my feeling was that the trainer was very, very, very, good at what he did. He made contact, and pushed...very close to me at all times, almost as a training partner would be, and that made me work harder. It is mostly muscles under tension.. is there any science that shows that the long the muscle is under tension the more hyperthrophy happens. Anyone have any knowledge about this.
>
> I am from the old school. So many reps and a % of a one rep max, depends on whether you want to build endurance, muscle, power and strength
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> Any insight, help would help a great deal.
>
> Martin C, Mark, CFT CSFTS
> Boynton Beach, FL
>

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1b.

Dynamic Variable Neuromuscular Stimulation Systems

Posted by: "John Casler" bioforce.inc@gte.net   bioforce_inc

Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:07 am (PDT)





Martin C. Mark wrote:

I met with a company called, "The Facility" It is a gym only for trainers
to train there clients in, if the trainer does not have his or her own
studio......While there. I was advised that if I wanted to train some of The
Facility's members or clients, I would have to take their course in DVNS
System.

John Casler writes:

There are very few Strength Training Systems that would not fit within the
definition of terms in DVNS.

Martin C. Mark wrote:

I was also given a very small demo. This was done doing the bench press,
the first thing that I noticed was that the trainer was sort of in my face,
standing very close, making personal contact almost from the begining. He
adivsed that I should do three sets of 10 reps, and when that was done, we
did half rep, one arm reps, other motion reps, the idea was to lift the bar
to his hands, so the trainer was in constend fontal contact with you. When
it was done I noticed a pretty good burn in my chest.

John Casler writes:

When a Trainer develops their training style there are TWO important things:

1) Get the desired results safely

2) Cause the trainee to develop a dependency on the trainer, insuring longer
term clients.

Martin C. Mark wrote:

Oh one other thing....when you pressed on this chest press machine your
whole body moved srt of up and fowards, very strange movement, but smoother
than any other machine I have ever been on

John Casler writes:

Sounds like the new line of "Roc-it" machines from HOIST.

Martin C. Mark wrote:

Here is the question.....Since I am 71 years old, and specialize in 50 year
old clients and above...I have what they need. I was promised that they
would be able to supple me with all the clients I wanted, but I had to take
there 16 hour course first for a fee of 500.00

Has anyone heard of this system? Does anyone have any clinical studies, or
even other not so clinical studies on this system. Before I pay to do
something I may totally opposed to I would love to get some information from
any who may have it. From my short time with this, my feeling was that the
trainer was very, very, very, good at what he did. He made contact, and
pushed...very close to me at all times, almost as a training partner would
be, and that made me work harder.

John Casler writes:

There could be debate on exactly what benefits you would receive from that
specific program (especially if it is all machine based) but there is little
doubt that a good trainer will (or should) know how to create or motivate
progressively higher levels of effort, performance and intensity.

Martin C. Mark wrote:

It is mostly muscles under tension.. is there any science that shows that
the long the muscle is under tension the more hyperthrophy happens. Anyone
have any knowledge about this.

John Casler writes:

TUT (time under tension) and TUL (time under load) can be beneficial to
hypertrophy if combined with sufficient TENSION or LOAD. As well, if the
tension/load is sufficient blood flow through the muscle is reduced during
the reps. This creates circulatory occlusion, and this occlusion can
benefit hypertrophy.

This can also be maximized by employing continuous tension/non-lock reps.

However, it is a balancing of the elements of TUT/TUL with the level of the
load, and the rest periods between sets (or even reps) that will ultimately
determine the level of hypertrophy. Many become enamored with a specific
TUL/TUT and lose track of the other required elements of TENSION/LOAD, and
REST between SETS or REPS.

Also, many tend to be more "concerned" with timing reps and sets, to the
point that they sacrifice LOAD. This is done by volitionally slowing the
rep speed to meet the TIME under the incorrect belief that the time is more
important than the load/tension. This is not true for most applications.

Martin C. Mark wrote:

I am from the old school. So many reps and a % of a one rep max, depends on
whether you want to build endurance, muscle, power and strength

John Casler writes:

While I know it is sacrilege to say so, I think the % of 1RM is archaic,
insufficient, and virtually impossible to use in a reasonable way. 1RM
efforts are a "moving target" and insufficient for a reasonable test
standard on most all exercises. Imagine trying to apply this standard to
curls, triceps presses, or pulldowns. They might be applicable to a more
trained and accomplished athlete who has developed the necessary skills and
confidence to actually apply maximal effort, but for most trainers and
trainees, they are virtually useless.

I squat 50-60 workouts a year, and have NO IDEA what my 1RM Squat is, and I
have been training for over 50 years.

All that said, you don't offer enough information to be able to fully
evaluate what DVNS might be.

Sounds to me like they want to program you with what they consider "their
brand" of training at that facility, and if it is safe and effective, that
may not be a bad thing, but without more info, one can only speculate.

Regards,

John Casler
TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems
Century City, CA

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Posted by: "David Supertraining International" david@supertraininginternational.com   driscoll_david

Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:06 am (PDT)



http://www.newscientist.com/mobile/article/mg21328574.700-green-tea-could-mask-testosterone-doping.html

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