Messages In This Digest (4 Messages)
- 1.1.
- Re: Weightloss From: Ralph Giarnella
- 2.1.
- Re: A question about a video on youtube From: gallagher220
- 2.2.
- Re: A question about a video on youtube From: deadliftdiva@comcast.net
- 2.3.
- Re: A question about a video on youtube From: boris b
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- 1.1.
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Re: Weightloss
Posted by: "Ralph Giarnella" ragiarn@yahoo.com ragiarn
Sun May 20, 2012 4:00 am (PDT)
I just came across a very interesting article with regards to weight loss.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/ 05...enge- to-obesity. html
The following is an excerpt. It is well worth your while to read the entire article.
quote:
That the conventional wisdom of 3,500 calories less is what it takes to lose a pound of weight is wrong. The body changes as you lose. Interestingly, we also found that the fatter you get, the easier it is to gain weight. An extra 10 calories a day puts more weight onto an obese person than on a thinner one.
Also, there's a time constant that's an important factor in weight loss. That's because if you reduce your caloric intake, after a while, your body reaches equilibrium. It actually takes about three years for a dieter to reach their new "steady state." Our model predicts that if you eat 100 calories fewer a day, in three years you will, on average, lose 10 pounds — if you don't cheat.
Another finding: Huge variations in your daily food intake will not cause variations in weight, as long as your average food intake over a year is about the same. This is because a person's body will respond slowly to the food intake.
Ralph Giarnella MD
Southington Ct. USA
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Re: A question about a video on youtube
Posted by: "gallagher220" gallagher2201@msn.com gallagher220
Sun May 20, 2012 4:01 am (PDT)
Yeah, I would say the woman's "struggle" was to make the weights look authentic, especially on the incline bench.
If Valentin Dikul wasn't looking to make money off his feats of strength why would he post so many videos? Why would he write books and sell a joint balm? Yes Mr. Dikul has accomplished a great many things - walking and lifting after a serious spinal chord injury - and it's good that he's helped other people. If he doesn't want to compete or get on record books that's great for him. Some people don't care for records or competitions; something I know first hand. But he (or a company with his permission) is posting these videos for a reason. Generally that reason is to sell something. What better way to sell something than to pad the numbers?
Casey Gallagher CSCS
Snohomish, WA USA
--- In Supertraining@yahoogroups. , deadliftdiva@com ... wrote:
>
> <choke> John, next time please warn me what you're putting up. :( good grief.
>
>
> Let's say I struggled for objectivity while choking on my coffee here on this video....but I can say that I can see the light plates showing on at least 1 of the "lifts" - the view from 1 angle shows a lot more holes on an inside plate, that they goofed on hiding the light plates on the "big" load there. What I'm wondering is if there are a bunch of those really light 5 kg plates in here, it sure looks like a training 5 kg on the inside (the full diameter of a regular plate, but lots of holes to lighten it up?). Say they load a real plate and a bunch of those full diameter 5 kg inside and voila, amazing lift lol.... Another strange squat walkout though - what's with the walking it out forward and backing in to rack?
>
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> As for bending the barbell, yeah....uh...not likely.
>
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> I also tried to look this person up and figure out if there's a name change or gender change in there somewhere.... again though, with money now available for "pro powerlifters" and the added sponsorships lately, you do have to ask why this person isn't well, raking in the money if they're for real.
>
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> My eyeballs feel scarred for life, John. I'm holding you responsible. I'd much rather watch the Russian guy.... again, whether he's got the full amount or his admirers on the tape have the weights correct, I'd say he's at least a pretty strong guy, I still wonder a lot about that front walk out on the squat for one thing. But then if I want to watch something amazing and real, I'd watch Konstantin Konstantinovs DL workout and well, try to learn...
>
>
> The Phantom
> aka Linda Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter
> Denver, Colorado, USA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Casler" <bioforce.inc@...>
> To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:59:18 PM
> Subject: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube
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> Those questioning the validity of the Russian Video may also enjoy this one
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch? feature=fvwp& NR=1&v=sYN1DrPZA TI
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> I make no claims or speculations regarding this video, but I think some will
> have definite opinions.
>
> My only comment is the only bar that bends is at the end of the video, and
> not from weight. : )
>
> Regards,
>
> John Casler
> TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems
> Century City, CA
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Supertraining@yahoogroups. [mailto: Supertraining@com yahoogroups. ]com
> On Behalf Of deadliftdiva@...
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 9:33 PM
> To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube
>
> Sure it would - it would fund their retirement someday :).
>
> Training videos, books, world records, and in some federations, cold hard
> cash - appearance fees and prize money. :)
>
> That's why this is a bit suspect - perhaps he was stronger once - and
> perhaps the person who put the weights on there is not correct - but
> Guinness does not have him listed, and his other things are a bit stuntish -
> like phone book tearing, there is a trick to some of it rather than overall
> power/strength.
>
> Just saying that if he were truly as strong as the video suggests, he would
> indeed make some money. Russia and other countries have had some VERY
> lucrative PL and strongman events...drawing Americans and well, the world
> overall.
>
> If he truly were this strong, it would only enhance his income and his
> reputation to do meets and make money - the questions arise because his
> weights are not weighed officially, and the rest of the questions.
>
> The kettlebell org would be smart to sponsor him to do a meet or two, with a
> real PL org - and prove their hero - they too would gain from this.
>
> Otherwise it's in the world of fake plates, like many other persons without
> the credentials...and if he is truly this strong, that would be a shame,
> right? :)
>
> The Phantom
> aka Linda Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter Denver, Colorado, USA
>
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Re: A question about a video on youtube
Posted by: "deadliftdiva@comcast.net" deadliftdiva@comcast.net
Sun May 20, 2012 4:01 am (PDT)
I understand there are those who want to defend this gentleman on the video - but I'm with Edwin on the way that loading looks. I've loaded 50 kg plates before - and the first couple on each side do NOT look to be heavy. They look different also from the 3rd one loaded....
The defense of the individual in that his government or country believe him to be real and defend him is not sufficient to defend the credibility of the video - in fact, the reputation may be at the foot of this question overall. Pride may be more the case than the full strength claimed any more - the kettle bell club also has something at stake through promoting this? If the individual truly gains nothing by doing this, why do it...lol. Perhaps he has spent all his money?
The behavior of the bars in the videos is part of what makes me not believe the weights that are stated.
At any rate, it's interesting to look at and there are a good many folks who claim unusual strength but have been disproven over the years too. YMMV :).
The Phantom
aka Linda Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter
Denver, Colorado, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: efreem3407@aol.com
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 4:23:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=_z0vcApJzRw
There is also a video of Valentin Dikul deadlifting. Look at how the person who loads the weights on to the bar loads the weights. It looks fake and suspect.
Edwin Freeman, Jr.
San Francisco, USA
-----Original Message-----
From: deadliftdiva < deadliftdiva@comcast.net >
To: Supertraining < Supertraining@yahoogroups. >com
Sent: Wed, May 16, 2012 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube
Sure it would - it would fund their retirement someday :).
Training videos, books, world records, and in some federations, cold hard cash -
appearance fees and prize money. :)
That's why this is a bit suspect - perhaps he was stronger once - and perhaps
the person who put the weights on there is not correct - but Guinness does not
have him listed, and his other things are a bit stuntish - like phone book
tearing, there is a trick to some of it rather than overall power/strength.
Just saying that if he were truly as strong as the video suggests, he would
indeed make some money. Russia and other countries have had some VERY lucrative
PL and strongman events...drawing Americans and well, the world overall.
If he truly were this strong, it would only enhance his income and his
reputation to do meets and make money - the questions arise because his weights
are not weighed officially, and the rest of the questions.
The kettlebell org would be smart to sponsor him to do a meet or two, with a
real PL org - and prove their hero - they too would gain from this.
Otherwise it's in the world of fake plates, like many other persons without the
credentials...and if he is truly this strong, that would be a shame, right? :)
The Phantom
aka Linda Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter
Denver, Colorado, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "boris b" < boris_york@yahoo.com >
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 4:25:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube
Valentin Dikul is for real. He is legitimately very, very strong.
I don't know about the listed weights however - it is a video that was re-loaded
by a kettlebell organization.
The list of very strong individuals who've never competed in sanctioned PL meets
is long and illustrious. We all know that. Seriously, for these individuals,
competing would do nothing positive for the mystique and market they've built
with their ability to odd/unconventional lifts.
Boris Bachmann
Des Moines, IA
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From: " deadliftdiva@comcast.net " < deadliftdiva@comcast.net >
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube
Well, he's not listed on the Guinness site that I could find. This is not at a
competition of any sort, nor are the plates and bar specified or weighed out on
camera to prove a point here either, which they would be if this were a record
attempt perhaps? I've heard Guinness is pretty meticulous about such things -
someone I know went to a recordbreaker event in Milan, Italy, and told me about
it.
I also find the bar and its loads a bit suspect - plus i would be very surprised
at ANYONE walking out a squat to the front of standards like that for one
thing... the bar and the standards didn't look sufficient to support the
supposed weight in question. I'd also think the bar whip from a bar that is not
a good bar would have substantial effect on a sq that really is in that range.
Why load OL bounce plates instead of metal 50 kg's - the metal are much thinner?
If a person had fake 50 kg bounces though...?
My guess is that those larger "plates" have sand in them or are wooden. Certain
BB mags tend to replace the metal plates except for 1 of them with wood to take
the pictures as it's easier to stand there with 3 wooden and 1 metal weight on
each side. One reason I suspect this? well, nobody needs to make the weights and
bar whip about at the top with a real load like that on that deadlift....I think
it's not real, I think some of it is sand and he's trying to MAKE it look real.
There's more videos of this guy. He's also getting his DL from pads higher than
his feet - which makes it a bit easier.
The barbell bend in the bench and other things make me think perhaps this is
staged. A bounced full rep like that also would be disallowed even in bad PL
feds... and something around 185 or 200 kg would also bend a bar sufficiently to
account for this bend, especially with a less strong barbell.
I did some comparing on videos also with known footage of Konstantin
Konstantinovs for example - and Andy Bolton.
I think it's unlikely this whole deal is for real. I'd ask one good q - with all
the money now in PL meets in Russia and other places, why would a guy like this
NOT show up and weigh in, and officially take all that money? Seriously? :) And
there is the likely answer, if he was for real, he would.
The Phantom
aka Linda Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter
Denver, Colorado, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: efreem3407@aol.com
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:21:56 AM
Subject: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube
I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?
Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=ygCRtex_ GDo&NR=1& feature=endscree n&list=PLB02C1F8 F06F782B6
Please share your thoughts.
Edwin Freeman, Jr.
San Francisco, USA
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Re: A question about a video on youtube
Posted by: "boris b" boris_york@yahoo.com boris_york
Sun May 20, 2012 6:19 am (PDT)
There are millions of suspect videos on YouTube. I think the Supertraining listserve should continue in this line of video analyses. Time and brain well spent. Mel would have been proud...
Boris Bachmann
Des Moines, IA
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From: "deadliftdiva@comcast.net " <deadliftdiva@comcast.net >
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube
I understand there are those who want to defend this gentleman on the video - but I'm with Edwin on the way that loading looks. I've loaded 50 kg plates before - and the first couple on each side do NOT look to be heavy. They look different also from the 3rd one loaded....
The defense of the individual in that his government or country believe him to be real and defend him is not sufficient to defend the credibility of the video - in fact, the reputation may be at the foot of this question overall. Pride may be more the case than the full strength claimed any more - the kettle bell club also has something at stake through promoting this? If the individual truly gains nothing by doing this, why do it...lol. Perhaps he has spent all his money?
The behavior of the bars in the videos is part of what makes me not believe the weights that are stated.
At any rate, it's interesting to look at and there are a good many folks who claim unusual strength but have been disproven over the years too. YMMV :).
The Phantom
aka Linda Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter
Denver, Colorado, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: efreem3407@aol.com
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 4:23:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=_z0vcApJzRw
There is also a video of Valentin Dikul deadlifting. Look at how the person who loads the weights on to the bar loads the weights. It looks fake and suspect.
Edwin Freeman, Jr.
San Francisco, USA
-----Original Message-----
From: deadliftdiva < deadliftdiva@comcast.net >
To: Supertraining < Supertraining@yahoogroups. >com
Sent: Wed, May 16, 2012 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube
Sure it would - it would fund their retirement someday :).
Training videos, books, world records, and in some federations, cold hard cash -
appearance fees and prize money. :)
That's why this is a bit suspect - perhaps he was stronger once - and perhaps
the person who put the weights on there is not correct - but Guinness does not
have him listed, and his other things are a bit stuntish - like phone book
tearing, there is a trick to some of it rather than overall power/strength.
Just saying that if he were truly as strong as the video suggests, he would
indeed make some money. Russia and other countries have had some VERY lucrative
PL and strongman events...drawing Americans and well, the world overall.
If he truly were this strong, it would only enhance his income and his
reputation to do meets and make money - the questions arise because his weights
are not weighed officially, and the rest of the questions.
The kettlebell org would be smart to sponsor him to do a meet or two, with a
real PL org - and prove their hero - they too would gain from this.
Otherwise it's in the world of fake plates, like many other persons without the
credentials...and if he is truly this strong, that would be a shame, right? :)
The Phantom
aka Linda Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter
Denver, Colorado, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "boris b" < boris_york@yahoo.com >
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 4:25:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube
Valentin Dikul is for real. He is legitimately very, very strong.
I don't know about the listed weights however - it is a video that was re-loaded
by a kettlebell organization.
The list of very strong individuals who've never competed in sanctioned PL meets
is long and illustrious. We all know that. Seriously, for these individuals,
competing would do nothing positive for the mystique and market they've built
with their ability to odd/unconventional lifts.
Boris Bachmann
Des Moines, IA
_____________________ _________ __
From: " deadliftdiva@comcast.net " < deadliftdiva@comcast.net >
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube
Well, he's not listed on the Guinness site that I could find. This is not at a
competition of any sort, nor are the plates and bar specified or weighed out on
camera to prove a point here either, which they would be if this were a record
attempt perhaps? I've heard Guinness is pretty meticulous about such things -
someone I know went to a recordbreaker event in Milan, Italy, and told me about
it.
I also find the bar and its loads a bit suspect - plus i would be very surprised
at ANYONE walking out a squat to the front of standards like that for one
thing... the bar and the standards didn't look sufficient to support the
supposed weight in question. I'd also think the bar whip from a bar that is not
a good bar would have substantial effect on a sq that really is in that range.
Why load OL bounce plates instead of metal 50 kg's - the metal are much thinner?
If a person had fake 50 kg bounces though...?
My guess is that those larger "plates" have sand in them or are wooden. Certain
BB mags tend to replace the metal plates except for 1 of them with wood to take
the pictures as it's easier to stand there with 3 wooden and 1 metal weight on
each side. One reason I suspect this? well, nobody needs to make the weights and
bar whip about at the top with a real load like that on that deadlift....I think
it's not real, I think some of it is sand and he's trying to MAKE it look real.
There's more videos of this guy. He's also getting his DL from pads higher than
his feet - which makes it a bit easier.
The barbell bend in the bench and other things make me think perhaps this is
staged. A bounced full rep like that also would be disallowed even in bad PL
feds... and something around 185 or 200 kg would also bend a bar sufficiently to
account for this bend, especially with a less strong barbell.
I did some comparing on videos also with known footage of Konstantin
Konstantinovs for example - and Andy Bolton.
I think it's unlikely this whole deal is for real. I'd ask one good q - with all
the money now in PL meets in Russia and other places, why would a guy like this
NOT show up and weigh in, and officially take all that money? Seriously? :) And
there is the likely answer, if he was for real, he would.
The Phantom
aka Linda Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter
Denver, Colorado, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: efreem3407@aol.com
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:21:56 AM
Subject: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube
I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?
Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=ygCRtex_ GDo&NR=1& feature=endscree n&list=PLB02C1F8 F06F782B6
Please share your thoughts.
Edwin Freeman, Jr.
San Francisco, USA
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