Thursday, 17 May 2012

[Supertraining] Digest Number 4560

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1.1.

Re: A question about a video on youtube

Posted by: "Giovanni Ciriani" Giovanni.Ciriani@Gmail.com   gciriani

Wed May 16, 2012 12:37 pm (PDT)



So it is for real after all. Can the previous critiques be reconciled?

Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:25 PM, boris b <boris_york@yahoo.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Valentin Dikul is for real. He is legitimately very, very strong.
>
> I don't know about the listed weights however - it is a video that was
> re-loaded by a kettlebell organization.
>
> The list of very strong individuals who've never competed in sanctioned PL
> meets is long and illustrious. We all know that. Seriously, for these
> individuals, competing would do nothing positive for the mystique and
> market they've built with their ability to odd/unconventional lifts.
>
> Boris Bachmann
> Des Moines, IA
>
> ________________________________
> From: "deadliftdiva@comcast.net" <deadliftdiva@comcast.net>
> To: Supertraining@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube
>
>
>
>
> Well, he's not listed on the Guinness site that I could find. This is not
> at a competition of any sort, nor are the plates and bar specified or
> weighed out on camera to prove a point here either, which they would be if
> this were a record attempt perhaps? I've heard Guinness is pretty
> meticulous about such things - someone I know went to a recordbreaker event
> in Milan, Italy, and told me about it.
>
> I also find the bar and its loads a bit suspect - plus i would be very
> surprised at ANYONE walking out a squat to the front of standards like that
> for one thing... the bar and the standards didn't look sufficient to
> support the supposed weight in question. I'd also think the bar whip from a
> bar that is not a good bar would have substantial effect on a sq that
> really is in that range. Why load OL bounce plates instead of metal 50 kg's
> - the metal are much thinner? If a person had fake 50 kg bounces though...?
>
> My guess is that those larger "plates" have sand in them or are wooden.
> Certain BB mags tend to replace the metal plates except for 1 of them with
> wood to take the pictures as it's easier to stand there with 3 wooden and 1
> metal weight on each side. One reason I suspect this? well, nobody needs to
> make the weights and bar whip about at the top with a real load like that
> on that deadlift....I think it's not real, I think some of it is sand and
> he's trying to MAKE it look real. There's more videos of this guy. He's
> also getting his DL from pads higher than his feet - which makes it a bit
> easier.
>
> The barbell bend in the bench and other things make me think perhaps this
> is staged. A bounced full rep like that also would be disallowed even in
> bad PL feds... and something around 185 or 200 kg would also bend a bar
> sufficiently to account for this bend, especially with a less strong
> barbell.
>
> I did some comparing on videos also with known footage of Konstantin
> Konstantinovs for example - and Andy Bolton.
>
> I think it's unlikely this whole deal is for real. I'd ask one good q -
> with all the money now in PL meets in Russia and other places, why would a
> guy like this NOT show up and weigh in, and officially take all that money?
> Seriously? :) And there is the likely answer, if he was for real, he would.
>
> The Phantom
> aka Linda Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter
> Denver, Colorado, USA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: efreem3407@aol.com
> To: Supertraining@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:21:56 AM
> Subject: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube
>
> I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?
>
> Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygCRtex_GDo&NR=1&feature=endscreen&list=PLB02C1F8F06F782B6
>
> Please share your thoughts.
>
> Edwin Freeman, Jr.
> San Francisco, USA
>
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Re: A question about a video on youtube

Posted by: "Terry" trainerterry@yahoo.com   TrainerTerry

Wed May 16, 2012 12:37 pm (PDT)



Donnie Thompson has totaled 3000..... And this vid guy is a joke..... Nothing but an ol carnival act

Terry smith
Aurora, il usa

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Re: A question about a video on youtube

Posted by: "deadliftdiva@comcast.net" deadliftdiva@comcast.net

Wed May 16, 2012 12:37 pm (PDT)



Sure it would - it would fund their retirement someday :).

Training videos, books, world records, and in some federations, cold hard cash - appearance fees and prize money. :)

That's why this is a bit suspect - perhaps he was stronger once - and perhaps the person who put the weights on there is not correct - but Guinness does not have him listed, and his other things are a bit stuntish - like phone book tearing, there is a trick to some of it rather than overall power/strength.

Just saying that if he were truly as strong as the video suggests, he would indeed make some money. Russia and other countries have had some VERY lucrative PL and strongman events...drawing Americans and well, the world overall.

If he truly were this strong, it would only enhance his income and his reputation to do meets and make money - the questions arise because his weights are not weighed officially, and the rest of the questions.

The kettlebell org would be smart to sponsor him to do a meet or two, with a real PL org - and prove their hero - they too would gain from this.

Otherwise it's in the world of fake plates, like many other persons without the credentials...and if he is truly this strong, that would be a shame, right? :)

The Phantom
aka Linda Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter
Denver, Colorado, USA

----- Original Message -----
From: "boris b" <boris_york@yahoo.com>
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 4:25:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube

Valentin Dikul is for real. He is legitimately very, very strong.

I don't know about the listed weights however - it is a video that was re-loaded by a kettlebell organization.

The list of very strong individuals who've never competed in sanctioned PL meets is long and illustrious. We all know that. Seriously, for these individuals, competing would do nothing positive for the mystique and market they've built with their ability to odd/unconventional lifts.

Boris Bachmann
Des Moines, IA

________________________________
From: " deadliftdiva@comcast.net " < deadliftdiva@comcast.net >
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube

Well, he's not listed on the Guinness site that I could find. This is not at a competition of any sort, nor are the plates and bar specified or weighed out on camera to prove a point here either, which they would be if this were a record attempt perhaps? I've heard Guinness is pretty meticulous about such things - someone I know went to a recordbreaker event in Milan, Italy, and told me about it.

I also find the bar and its loads a bit suspect - plus i would be very surprised at ANYONE walking out a squat to the front of standards like that for one thing... the bar and the standards didn't look sufficient to support the supposed weight in question. I'd also think the bar whip from a bar that is not a good bar would have substantial effect on a sq that really is in that range. Why load OL bounce plates instead of metal 50 kg's - the metal are much thinner? If a person had fake 50 kg bounces though...?

My guess is that those larger "plates" have sand in them or are wooden. Certain BB mags tend to replace the metal plates except for 1 of them with wood to take the pictures as it's easier to stand there with 3 wooden and 1 metal weight on each side. One reason I suspect this? well, nobody needs to make the weights and bar whip about at the top with a real load like that on that deadlift....I think it's not real, I think some of it is sand and he's trying to MAKE it look real. There's more videos of this guy. He's also getting his DL from pads higher than his feet - which makes it a bit easier.

The barbell bend in the bench and other things make me think perhaps this is staged. A bounced full rep like that also would be disallowed even in bad PL feds... and something around 185 or 200 kg would also bend a bar sufficiently to account for this bend, especially with a less strong barbell.

I did some comparing on videos also with known footage of Konstantin Konstantinovs for example - and Andy Bolton.

I think it's unlikely this whole deal is for real. I'd ask one good q - with all the money now in PL meets in Russia and other places, why would a guy like this NOT show up and weigh in, and officially take all that money? Seriously? :) And there is the likely answer, if he was for real, he would.

The Phantom
aka Linda Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter
Denver, Colorado, USA

----- Original Message -----
From: efreem3407@aol.com
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:21:56 AM
Subject: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube

I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?

Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygCRtex_GDo&NR=1&feature=endscreen&list=PLB02C1F8F06F782B6

Please share your thoughts.

Edwin Freeman, Jr.
San Francisco, USA

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1.4.

Re: A question about a video on youtube

Posted by: "Kendall Chew" chew.k3@gmail.com   shoulders123

Wed May 16, 2012 12:37 pm (PDT)



Whether fake or not, if he is attempting these feats post (traumatic)
paralysis, I would suggest that, at some point he will end up in a
wheelchair again, simply due to the previous bony damage causing
stress induced bony growths (osteophytes), leading to foraminal
encroachment and nerve compression. You NEVER get away with it for
ever.

Kendall Chew
Cheshire, England

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Re: A question about a video on youtube

Posted by: "boris b" boris_york@yahoo.com   boris_york

Wed May 16, 2012 2:15 pm (PDT)



You have to read between the lines here a little Linda. If their (and again, I'm talking about a long line of strongmen - I don't want to name names, but they're around and they don't hide) market is built upon the reputation of being "the strongest in the world", there is nowhere to go but down if they were to actually step upon a sanctioned lifting platform or into a organized strongman competition. In my opinion, there's no doubt that they are strong - actual numbers for official lifts are something else entirely.

I don't know how old Valentin is these days (a simple Google search would probably turn it up but I don't care enough to check), but I'm sure he's not looking to put out a lot of videos, books, and appearances. Even if he was, I'm sure there's enough of a niche market for his stuff as it is.

Boris Bachmann
Des Moines, IA

________________________________
From: "deadliftdiva@comcast.net" <deadliftdiva@comcast.net>
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube


 
Sure it would - it would fund their retirement someday :).

Training videos, books, world records, and in some federations, cold hard cash - appearance fees and prize money. :)

That's why this is a bit suspect - perhaps he was stronger once - and perhaps the person who put the weights on there is not correct - but Guinness does not have him listed, and his other things are a bit stuntish - like phone book tearing, there is a trick to some of it rather than overall power/strength.

Just saying that if he were truly as strong as the video suggests, he would indeed make some money. Russia and other countries have had some VERY lucrative PL and strongman events...drawing Americans and well, the world overall.

If he truly were this strong, it would only enhance his income and his reputation to do meets and make money - the questions arise because his weights are not weighed officially, and the rest of the questions.

The kettlebell org would be smart to sponsor him to do a meet or two, with a real PL org - and prove their hero - they too would gain from this.

Otherwise it's in the world of fake plates, like many other persons without the credentials...and if he is truly this strong, that would be a shame, right? :)

The Phantom
aka Linda Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter
Denver, Colorado, USA

----- Original Message -----
From: "boris b" <boris_york@yahoo.com>
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 4:25:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube

Valentin Dikul is for real. He is legitimately very, very strong.

I don't know about the listed weights however - it is a video that was re-loaded by a kettlebell organization.

The list of very strong individuals who've never competed in sanctioned PL meets is long and illustrious. We all know that. Seriously, for these individuals, competing would do nothing positive for the mystique and market they've built with their ability to odd/unconventional lifts.

Boris Bachmann
Des Moines, IA

________________________________
From: " deadliftdiva@comcast.net " < deadliftdiva@comcast.net >
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube

Well, he's not listed on the Guinness site that I could find. This is not at a competition of any sort, nor are the plates and bar specified or weighed out on camera to prove a point here either, which they would be if this were a record attempt perhaps? I've heard Guinness is pretty meticulous about such things - someone I know went to a recordbreaker event in Milan, Italy, and told me about it.

I also find the bar and its loads a bit suspect - plus i would be very surprised at ANYONE walking out a squat to the front of standards like that for one thing... the bar and the standards didn't look sufficient to support the supposed weight in question. I'd also think the bar whip from a bar that is not a good bar would have substantial effect on a sq that really is in that range. Why load OL bounce plates instead of metal 50 kg's - the metal are much thinner? If a person had fake 50 kg bounces though...?

My guess is that those larger "plates" have sand in them or are wooden. Certain BB mags tend to replace the metal plates except for 1 of them with wood to take the pictures as it's easier to stand there with 3 wooden and 1 metal weight on each side. One reason I suspect this? well, nobody needs to make the weights and bar whip about at the top with a real load like that on that deadlift....I think it's not real, I think some of it is sand and he's trying to MAKE it look real. There's more videos of this guy. He's also getting his DL from pads higher than his feet - which makes it a bit easier.

The barbell bend in the bench and other things make me think perhaps this is staged. A bounced full rep like that also would be disallowed even in bad PL feds... and something around 185 or 200 kg would also bend a bar sufficiently to account for this bend, especially with a less strong barbell.

I did some comparing on videos also with known footage of Konstantin Konstantinovs for example - and Andy Bolton.

I think it's unlikely this whole deal is for real. I'd ask one good q - with all the money now in PL meets in Russia and other places, why would a guy like this NOT show up and weigh in, and officially take all that money? Seriously? :) And there is the likely answer, if he was for real, he would.

The Phantom
aka Linda Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter
Denver, Colorado, USA

----- Original Message -----
From: efreem3407@aol.com
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:21:56 AM
Subject: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube

I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?

Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygCRtex_GDo&NR=1&feature=endscreen&list=PLB02C1F8F06F782B6

Please share your thoughts.

Edwin Freeman, Jr.
San Francisco, USA

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