Messages In This Digest (9 Messages)
- 1.1.
- A question about a video on youtube From: efreem3407@aol.com
- 1.2.
- Re: A question about a video on youtube From: Brock Leggins
- 1.3.
- Re: A question about a video on youtube From: deadliftdiva@comcast.net
- 1.4.
- Re: A question about a video on youtube From: Wally Seibel
- 1.5.
- Re: A question about a video on youtube From: boris b
- 1.6.
- Re: A question about a video on youtube From: Randy
- 2.1.
- Re: power lifting program From: efreem3407@aol.com
- 2.2.
- Re: power lifting program From: Dave Barry
- 2.3.
- Re: power lifting program From: deadliftdiva@comcast.net
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A question about a video on youtube
Posted by: "efreem3407@aol.com" efreem3407@aol.com powerlifter4231
Tue May 15, 2012 8:49 am (PDT)
I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?
Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=ygCRtex_ GDo&NR=1& feature=endscree n&list=PLB02C1F8 F06F782B6
Please share your thoughts.
Edwin Freeman, Jr.
San Francisco, USA
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Re: A question about a video on youtube
Posted by: "Brock Leggins" brockleggins@hotmail.com bleggins81
Tue May 15, 2012 10:20 am (PDT)
I have to question its validity on a couple of counts - 1. if it's at a meet (which I believe it has to be to count as a world record), where are the spotters?2. I was under the impression the world record deadlift, raw or suited (prior to Magnusson breaking it) was Andy Bolton's 1008, not this guy's 1012.
I'm sure that is some heavy weight, but I've never heard of the dude.
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
From: efreem3407@aol.com
Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 02:21:56 -0400
Subject: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube
I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?
Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=ygCRtex_ GDo&NR=1& feature=endscree n&list=PLB02C1F8 F06F782B6
Please share your thoughts.
Edwin Freeman, Jr.
San Francisco, USA
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Re: A question about a video on youtube
Posted by: "deadliftdiva@comcast.net" deadliftdiva@comcast.net
Tue May 15, 2012 2:48 pm (PDT)
Well, he's not listed on the Guinness site that I could find. This is not at a competition of any sort, nor are the plates and bar specified or weighed out on camera to prove a point here either, which they would be if this were a record attempt perhaps? I've heard Guinness is pretty meticulous about such things - someone I know went to a recordbreaker event in Milan, Italy, and told me about it.
I also find the bar and its loads a bit suspect - plus i would be very surprised at ANYONE walking out a squat to the front of standards like that for one thing... the bar and the standards didn't look sufficient to support the supposed weight in question. I'd also think the bar whip from a bar that is not a good bar would have substantial effect on a sq that really is in that range. Why load OL bounce plates instead of metal 50 kg's - the metal are much thinner? If a person had fake 50 kg bounces though...?
My guess is that those larger "plates" have sand in them or are wooden. Certain BB mags tend to replace the metal plates except for 1 of them with wood to take the pictures as it's easier to stand there with 3 wooden and 1 metal weight on each side. One reason I suspect this? well, nobody needs to make the weights and bar whip about at the top with a real load like that on that deadlift....I think it's not real, I think some of it is sand and he's trying to MAKE it look real. There's more videos of this guy. He's also getting his DL from pads higher than his feet - which makes it a bit easier.
The barbell bend in the bench and other things make me think perhaps this is staged. A bounced full rep like that also would be disallowed even in bad PL feds... and something around 185 or 200 kg would also bend a bar sufficiently to account for this bend, especially with a less strong barbell.
I did some comparing on videos also with known footage of Konstantin Konstantinovs for example - and Andy Bolton.
I think it's unlikely this whole deal is for real. I'd ask one good q - with all the money now in PL meets in Russia and other places, why would a guy like this NOT show up and weigh in, and officially take all that money? Seriously? :) And there is the likely answer, if he was for real, he would.
The Phantom
aka Linda Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter
Denver, Colorado, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: efreem3407@aol.com
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:21:56 AM
Subject: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube
I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?
Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=ygCRtex_ GDo&NR=1& feature=endscree n&list=PLB02C1F8 F06F782B6
Please share your thoughts.
Edwin Freeman, Jr.
San Francisco, USA
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Re: A question about a video on youtube
Posted by: "Wally Seibel" rollinrev@gmail.com pastorsseibel
Tue May 15, 2012 2:48 pm (PDT)
that was my impression as well – and I would add:
the stands look a little small (or somehow not right)
who would walk out forward and rack going backwards, seems a little dangerous.
Wally (stephen seibel)
Ohio, USA
From: Brock Leggins
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:42 PM
To: supertraining@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube
I have to question its validity on a couple of counts - 1. if it's at a meet (which I believe it has to be to count as a world record), where are the spotters?2. I was under the impression the world record deadlift, raw or suited (prior to Magnusson breaking it) was Andy Bolton's 1008, not this guy's 1012.
I'm sure that is some heavy weight, but I've never heard of the dude.
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From: mailto:efreem3407%40aol.com
Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 02:21:56 -0400
Subject: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube
I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?
Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=ygCRtex_ GDo&NR=1& feature=endscree n&list=PLB02C1F8 F06F782B6
Please share your thoughts.
Edwin Freeman, Jr.
San Francisco, USA
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Re: A question about a video on youtube
Posted by: "boris b" boris_york@yahoo.com boris_york
Tue May 15, 2012 4:04 pm (PDT)
Valentin Dikul is for real. He is legitimately very, very strong.
I don't know about the listed weights however - it is a video that was re-loaded by a kettlebell organization.
The list of very strong individuals who've never competed in sanctioned PL meets is long and illustrious. We all know that. Seriously, for these individuals, competing would do nothing positive for the mystique and market they've built with their ability to odd/unconventional lifts.
Boris Bachmann
Des Moines, IA
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From: "deadliftdiva@comcast.net " <deadliftdiva@comcast.net >
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube
Well, he's not listed on the Guinness site that I could find. This is not at a competition of any sort, nor are the plates and bar specified or weighed out on camera to prove a point here either, which they would be if this were a record attempt perhaps? I've heard Guinness is pretty meticulous about such things - someone I know went to a recordbreaker event in Milan, Italy, and told me about it.
I also find the bar and its loads a bit suspect - plus i would be very surprised at ANYONE walking out a squat to the front of standards like that for one thing... the bar and the standards didn't look sufficient to support the supposed weight in question. I'd also think the bar whip from a bar that is not a good bar would have substantial effect on a sq that really is in that range. Why load OL bounce plates instead of metal 50 kg's - the metal are much thinner? If a person had fake 50 kg bounces though...?
My guess is that those larger "plates" have sand in them or are wooden. Certain BB mags tend to replace the metal plates except for 1 of them with wood to take the pictures as it's easier to stand there with 3 wooden and 1 metal weight on each side. One reason I suspect this? well, nobody needs to make the weights and bar whip about at the top with a real load like that on that deadlift....I think it's not real, I think some of it is sand and he's trying to MAKE it look real. There's more videos of this guy. He's also getting his DL from pads higher than his feet - which makes it a bit easier.
The barbell bend in the bench and other things make me think perhaps this is staged. A bounced full rep like that also would be disallowed even in bad PL feds... and something around 185 or 200 kg would also bend a bar sufficiently to account for this bend, especially with a less strong barbell.
I did some comparing on videos also with known footage of Konstantin Konstantinovs for example - and Andy Bolton.
I think it's unlikely this whole deal is for real. I'd ask one good q - with all the money now in PL meets in Russia and other places, why would a guy like this NOT show up and weigh in, and officially take all that money? Seriously? :) And there is the likely answer, if he was for real, he would.
The Phantom
aka Linda Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter
Denver, Colorado, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: efreem3407@aol.com
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:21:56 AM
Subject: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube
I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?
Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=ygCRtex_ GDo&NR=1& feature=endscree n&list=PLB02C1F8 F06F782B6
Please share your thoughts.
Edwin Freeman, Jr.
San Francisco, USA
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Re: A question about a video on youtube
Posted by: "Randy" random2642@yahoo.com random2642
Tue May 15, 2012 4:05 pm (PDT)
There's a handy guide right here:
http://www.powerliftingwatch. com/files/ PLWR-M-03- 19-12.pdf
I don't see that guy's name at all.....
I can't believe someone has already hit 2900!
Randy Gordon
Gary, IN
----- Original Message -----
From: efreem3407@aol.com
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:21:56 AM
Subject: [Supertraining] A question about a video on youtube
I found this video on YouTube. Is this real or fake? Who is this person?
Valentin Dikul Guinness World Record
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=ygCRtex_ GDo&NR=1& feature=endscree n&list=PLB02C1F8 F06F782B6
Please share your thoughts.
Edwin Freeman, Jr.
San Francisco, USA
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Re: power lifting program
Posted by: "efreem3407@aol.com" efreem3407@aol.com powerlifter4231
Tue May 15, 2012 8:50 am (PDT)
Linda,
You once said that heavy deadlifting limits bench press strength. Why?
Edwin Freeman, Jr.
San Francisco, USA
-----Original Message-----
From: deadliftdiva <deadliftdiva@comcast.net >
To: Supertraining <Supertraining@yahoogroups. >com
Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 10:54 pm
Subject: Re: [Supertraining] Re: power lifting program
That's great!
Keep in mind that most rookies get decent gains for around the first 3 years of
PL training, so the trick is truly to keep focused on long term and stay out of
injury. Being patient, not pushing too hard too soon is sometimes the most
difficult part. :) As your DL gains in strength, your bench may improve also
fyi... :)
Do get the shoulder rehabbed, and be sure to ice and take care of yourself after
your workouts. Realize that some things we do in our lives outside the gym also
can influence our results in the gym - i.e. mileage on the shoulder may also
build up from work or other sources...
I'm glad you found good coaching help and I found it really gave me the best
start in the PL journey - I still am thankful for the help I got 16 years ago.
Stay strong and best of lifting luck, :)
The Phantom
aka Linda Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter
Denver, Colorado, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "pricetony" <pricetony@yahoo.com >
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 11:26:39 AM
Subject: [Supertraining] Re: power lifting program
Hi everybody,
Things have been going well in my effort to total 1000 pounds in my powerlifting
program. I have finally gotten 300 pounds in my deadlift and 265 pounds in my
squat. I haven't really tried to go heavy yet with the squat and the 265 went up
pretty easy. The only thing missing is the bench. I have a bit of tendinitis in
the shoulder and have managed to do 200 for the max. I have had a lot of fun
with the program and experimented with different exercises and rep schemes. What
I have learned is that I can go heavier faster, and that it doesn't seem to
overwhelm me nearly as much as when I first started. Aside from the shoulder I
haven't had an injury yet (knock on wood) and hopefully I can continue to gain
week by week and month by month. Thanks to my guides, Kevin McKnight and Todd
Craig I have kept motivated and on track throughout my trek.
And thanks to you all that have helped and supported me, I will keep updating
when I can.
Anthony Price
Rapid City, South Dakota
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Re: power lifting program
Posted by: "Dave Barry" davebarrymramerica@yahoo.com davebarrymramerica
Tue May 15, 2012 8:50 am (PDT)
Linda,
I agree with you 100% concerning Anthony rehabbing his shoulder. An acute case of tendinitis can easily turn into a chronic problem and hold back his progress for a significant amount of time, depending on how long he waits to address the problem.
Dave Barry
Dearborn Heights, MI
Former AAU Mr. America
Former NABBA Mr. USA
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Supertraining] Re: power lifting program
That's great!
Keep in mind that most rookies get decent gains for around the first 3 years of PL training, so the trick is truly to keep focused on long term and stay out of injury. Being patient, not pushing too hard too soon is sometimes the most difficult part. :) As your DL gains in strength, your bench may improve also fyi... :)
Do get the shoulder rehabbed, and be sure to ice and take care of yourself after your workouts. Realize that some things we do in our lives outside the gym also can influence our results in the gym - i.e. mileage on the shoulder may also build up from work or other sources...
I'm glad you found good coaching help and I found it really gave me the best start in the PL journey - I still am thankful for the help I got 16 years ago.
Stay strong and best of lifting luck, :)
The Phantom
aka Linda Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter
Denver, Colorado, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "pricetony" <pricetony@yahoo.com >
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 11:26:39 AM
Subject: [Supertraining] Re: power lifting program
Hi everybody,
Things have been going well in my effort to total 1000 pounds in my powerlifting program. I have finally gotten 300 pounds in my deadlift and 265 pounds in my squat. I haven't really tried to go heavy yet with the squat and the 265 went up pretty easy. The only thing missing is the bench. I have a bit of tendinitis in the shoulder and have managed to do 200 for the max. I have had a lot of fun with the program and experimented with different exercises and rep schemes. What I have learned is that I can go heavier faster, and that it doesn't seem to overwhelm me nearly as much as when I first started. Aside from the shoulder I haven't had an injury yet (knock on wood) and hopefully I can continue to gain week by week and month by month. Thanks to my guides, Kevin McKnight and Todd Craig I have kept motivated and on track throughout my trek.
And thanks to you all that have helped and supported me, I will keep updating when I can.
Anthony Price
Rapid City, South Dakota
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- 2.3.
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Re: power lifting program
Posted by: "deadliftdiva@comcast.net" deadliftdiva@comcast.net
Tue May 15, 2012 2:49 pm (PDT)
No, I said heavy benching limits heavy deadlifting.
Lockout is upper body dependent and you get tired on a big bench.
Most big benchers are not great pullers.
The Phantom
aka Linda Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter
Denver, Colorado, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: efreem3407@aol.com
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:25:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Supertraining] Re: power lifting program
Linda,
You once said that heavy deadlifting limits bench press strength. Why?
Edwin Freeman, Jr.
San Francisco, USA
-----Original Message-----
From: deadliftdiva < deadliftdiva@comcast.net >
To: Supertraining < Supertraining@yahoogroups. >com
Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 10:54 pm
Subject: Re: [Supertraining] Re: power lifting program
That's great!
Keep in mind that most rookies get decent gains for around the first 3 years of
PL training, so the trick is truly to keep focused on long term and stay out of
injury. Being patient, not pushing too hard too soon is sometimes the most
difficult part. :) As your DL gains in strength, your bench may improve also
fyi... :)
Do get the shoulder rehabbed, and be sure to ice and take care of yourself after
your workouts. Realize that some things we do in our lives outside the gym also
can influence our results in the gym - i.e. mileage on the shoulder may also
build up from work or other sources...
I'm glad you found good coaching help and I found it really gave me the best
start in the PL journey - I still am thankful for the help I got 16 years ago.
Stay strong and best of lifting luck, :)
The Phantom
aka Linda Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter
Denver, Colorado, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "pricetony" < pricetony@yahoo.com >
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 11:26:39 AM
Subject: [Supertraining] Re: power lifting program
Hi everybody,
Things have been going well in my effort to total 1000 pounds in my powerlifting
program. I have finally gotten 300 pounds in my deadlift and 265 pounds in my
squat. I haven't really tried to go heavy yet with the squat and the 265 went up
pretty easy. The only thing missing is the bench. I have a bit of tendinitis in
the shoulder and have managed to do 200 for the max. I have had a lot of fun
with the program and experimented with different exercises and rep schemes. What
I have learned is that I can go heavier faster, and that it doesn't seem to
overwhelm me nearly as much as when I first started. Aside from the shoulder I
haven't had an injury yet (knock on wood) and hopefully I can continue to gain
week by week and month by month. Thanks to my guides, Kevin McKnight and Todd
Craig I have kept motivated and on track throughout my trek.
And thanks to you all that have helped and supported me, I will keep updating
when I can.
Anthony Price
Rapid City, South Dakota
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