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- 1a.
- Re: 1 Rep Max From: JRTELLE@AOL.COM
- 1b.
- Re: 1 Rep Max From: James Bryant
- 1c.
- Re: 1 Rep Max From: Keith Hobman
- 1d.
- Re: 1 Rep Max From: John Casler
- 2a.
- Does Exercise Make You Overeat? From: Ralph Giarnella
- 3.
- Acid in gut From: James Beckinsale
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- 1a.
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Re: 1 Rep Max
Posted by: "JRTELLE@AOL.COM" JRTELLE@AOL.COM
Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:13 am (PDT)
Greetings,
Greetings,
Yes, the faster a load is lifted from a state of rest requires and manifests greater forces. So it might seem that lifting slowly is the preferred way because the actual forces required are less -- at the start anyway -- BUT more required force somewhere from the nasty sticking point to the end. Advantages of lifting as quick as possible includes: the fastest start recruits the high continuum high force IIB's (if there are any left due to IIB migration to IIA with extensive training) and high continuum high force IIA's plus the rest of fibers to some extent. Yet these converted IIB fibers MAY/PROBABLY express greater forces when max speed is attempted in a highly motivated state. A faster start results in greater kinetic energy, which aids greatly in moving through the low mechanical advantage "sticking point" and will have some kinetic energy left -- plus a less fatigued total fiber muscle (there might be some reappraisal of this point) to aid lockout. Anyway less TUT equals less fatigue and greater end of rep strength.(??) Especially from the lower continuum IIA's and I's.
Have we ever solved the force expression dillema,. i.e., does/can the IIB fiber converted to IIA express the same force?
Jerry Telle
Lakewood CO USA
-----Original Message-----
From: Giovanni Ciriani <Giovanni.Ciriani@Gmail.com >
To: Supertraining <Supertraining@yahoogroups. >com
Sent: Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:38 am
Subject: Re: [Supertraining] Re: 1 Rep Max
Teresa,
Doesn't force change with speed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Muscle_contracti on#Force- length_and_ force-velocity_ relationships
Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 12:13 PM, samuel9888 <Sam68123@cox.net > wrote:
> **
>
>
> Hi Giovanni,
>
> I don't understand the question--the "speed for recording 1RM?"
>
> The only thing I can think of where speed is relevant to your question is
> if you are video-recording the attempt: the speed of the camera. But speed
> has no relevance to testing for a 1RM: the person can perform the lift or
> he/she can't.
>
>
> Teresa Merrick, Ph.D.
> ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS
> Bellevue, NE
>
> --- In Supertraining@yahoogroups. , Giovanni Ciriani <Giovanni.Ciriani@com ...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Teresa,
> > What's the correct speed for recording 1RM?
> >
> > Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:31 AM, samuel9888 <Sam68123@...> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Mark,
> > >
> > > I'm sure some protocals are in "Essentials of Strength and
> Conditioning" from NSCA (Baechle and Earle) or "Designing Resistance
> Training Programs" Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a
> lab setting. In a free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes),
> it isn't really all that useful.
>
> > >
> > > "Accurate results" is a very elusive concept for this test because
> there are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's
> one-rep max on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes
> even advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you
> are performing a research study where such test results are outcome
> variables.
> > >
> > > If you Google "1-rep max test protocol", I'm sure you'll run across
> some scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used.
>
> > >
> > > Teresa Merrick, Ph.D.
> > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS
> > > Bellevue, NE
> > >
> > (meterial deleted)
>
>
>
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- 1b.
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Re: 1 Rep Max
Posted by: "James Bryant" strong_defense@yahoo.com strong_defense
Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:13 am (PDT)
I agree with Dr. Merrick, the question is a bit of a question in and of itself. As a former powerlifter, I had a 685lb Squat, 444 Bench Press, and 685lb Deadlift in the 220lb class at age 52. Those were my 1 rep max. I would have preferred to do them faster, due to the weight involved but due to the weight involved and the rules involved, did them according to the judges instructions. An example, would be my bench press. In training, I hit 470lbs but did it with a bit of a bounce, which was faster than is allowed at a meet. I hope I am making sense and helping with the question. This is my first posting in quite some time. As a coach of American football in Germany and a Personal Trainer, I enjoy reading the posts by others but rarely have time to respond.
James Bryant
Sua Sponte
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From: John Casler <bioforce.inc@gte.net >
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 5:54 PM
Subject: [Supertraining] Re: 1 Rep Max
Regarding the SPEED of a 1RM;
A 1RM will always be performed at the maximum safe speed, or else it will
not represent a 1RM.
Any effort attempted to use a "timed" or speed controlled rep will detract
from maximal effort, and will not yield a 1RM.
A 1RM is representative of the maximum load, resistance, or weight that one
can use for a single rep of an action. If we employ a speed controlled
(TUL) component, the level of ability to use the load will be compromised.
While we will certainly observe that some 1RM's will appear to move slowly,
this is relative to the load moved. A heavy load will reduce speed when
increased until their will be an inability to produce motion.
I might add, that a 1RM will also represent maximum Power Expression for a
lift, action, or exercise.
Regards,
John Casler
TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems
Century City, CA
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-----Original Message-----
From: Supertraining@yahoogroups. [mailto:Supertraining@com yahoogroups. ]com
On Behalf Of samuel9888
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:13 AM
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Supertraining] Re: 1 Rep Max
Hi Giovanni,
I don't understand the question--the "speed for recording 1RM?"
The only thing I can think of where speed is relevant to your question is if
you are video-recording the attempt: the speed of the camera. But speed has
no relevance to testing for a 1RM: the person can perform the lift or he/she
can't.
Teresa Merrick, Ph.D.
ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS
Bellevue, NE
--- In Supertraining@yahoogroups. , Giovanni Cirianicom
<Giovanni.Ciriani@...> wrote:
>
> Teresa,
> What's the correct speed for recording 1RM?
>
> Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
>
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:31 AM, samuel9888 <Sam68123@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > I'm sure some protocals are in "Essentials of Strength and Conditioning"
from NSCA (Baechle and Earle) or "Designing Resistance Training Programs"
Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a lab setting. In a
free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes), it isn't really all
that useful.
> >
> > "Accurate results" is a very elusive concept for this test because there
are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's one-rep max
on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes even
advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you are
performing a research study where such test results are outcome variables.
> >
> > If you Google "1-rep max test protocol", I'm sure you'll run across some
scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used.
> >
> > Teresa Merrick, Ph.D.
> > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS
> > Bellevue, NE
> >
> (meterial deleted)
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- 1c.
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Re: 1 Rep Max
Posted by: "Keith Hobman" keith.hobman@usask.ca khobman800
Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:14 am (PDT)
The graph depicts a muscle force relationship. Power and force are different than force and velocity.
A 1RM tests neither. Within defined movements it is a measure of how much you can lift - absolute strength in a way, since time isn't generally taken into account. I realize this is simplistic, especially in the case of the olympic lifts where tremendous amounts of force and considerable speed is required. None the less, the rules of the snatch and the c&j are not 'time' dependent. Within the time allocated to the lifter on the platform you could perform a snatch superslow if you wanted and if you met the rules it would still be a good lift.
Ditto for powerlifts. A deadlift takes a lot of force, but I've seen some lifts that are tremendously explosive (THE PHANTOM!!!) and some people crank it down a gear or two and take forever to get to lockout.
Keith Hobman
Saskatoon, Canada
On 4/16/12 10:57 AM, Giovanni Ciriani wrote:
> John,
> Maximum power, according to the articles I have read, takes place at about
> 1/3 of maximum force. See also the graph
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ File:Muscle_ Force_Velocity_ relationship. png
> Therefore what your are saying implies that 1RM is at about 1/3 of maximum
> force. Is that what you mean?
> Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:54 AM, John Casler <bioforce.inc@gte.net > wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Regarding the SPEED of a 1RM;
> >
> > A 1RM will always be performed at the maximum safe speed, or else it will
> > not represent a 1RM.
> >
> > Any effort attempted to use a "timed" or speed controlled rep will detract
> > from maximal effort, and will not yield a 1RM.
> >
> > A 1RM is representative of the maximum load, resistance, or weight that one
> > can use for a single rep of an action. If we employ a speed controlled
> > (TUL) component, the level of ability to use the load will be compromised.
> >
> > While we will certainly observe that some 1RM's will appear to move slowly,
> > this is relative to the load moved. A heavy load will reduce speed when
> > increased until their will be an inability to produce motion.
> >
> > I might add, that a 1RM will also represent maximum Power Expression for a
> > lift, action, or exercise.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > John Casler
> > TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems
> > Century City, CA
> >
> > -||||--------||||-
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Supertraining@yahoogroups. [mailto:Supertraining@com yahoogroups. ]com
> > On Behalf Of samuel9888
> > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:13 AM
> > To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
> > Subject: [Supertraining] Re: 1 Rep Max
> >
> > Hi Giovanni,
> >
> > I don't understand the question--the "speed for recording 1RM?"
> >
> > The only thing I can think of where speed is relevant to your question is
> > if
> > you are video-recording the attempt: the speed of the camera. But speed has
> > no relevance to testing for a 1RM: the person can perform the lift or
> > he/she
> > can't.
> >
> > Teresa Merrick, Ph.D.
> > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS
> > Bellevue, NE
> >
> > --- In Supertraining@yahoogroups. , Giovanni Cirianicom
> > <Giovanni.Ciriani@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Teresa,
> > > What's the correct speed for recording 1RM?
> > >
> > > Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:31 AM, samuel9888 <Sam68123@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mark,
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure some protocals are in "Essentials of Strength and
> > Conditioning"
> > from NSCA (Baechle and Earle) or "Designing Resistance Training Programs"
> > Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a lab setting. In a
> > free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes), it isn't really all
> > that useful.
> > > >
> > > > "Accurate results" is a very elusive concept for this test because
> > there
> > are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's one-rep max
> > on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes even
> > advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you are
> > performing a research study where such test results are outcome variables.
> > > >
> > > > If you Google "1-rep max test protocol", I'm sure you'll run across
> > some
> > scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used.
> > > >
> > > > Teresa Merrick, Ph.D.
> > > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS
> > > > Bellevue, NE
> > > >
> > > (meterial deleted)
> >
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- 1d.
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Re: 1 Rep Max
Posted by: "John Casler" bioforce.inc@gte.net bioforce_inc
Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:14 am (PDT)
Hi Giovanni,
Actually I misspoke (mistyped?) and a 1RM is not representative of the Max
Power Expression, as far as peak power. Sorry for the confusion.
However, I still represent that a 1RM is always performed at the fastest
speed safely possible.
Regards,
John Casler
TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems
Century City, CA
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-----Original Message-----
From: Supertraining@yahoogroups. [mailto:Supertraining@com yahoogroups. ]com
On Behalf Of Giovanni Ciriani
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:57 AM
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Supertraining] Re: 1 Rep Max
John,
Maximum power, according to the articles I have read, takes place at about
1/3 of maximum force. See also the graph
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ File:Muscle_ Force_Velocity_ relationship. png
Therefore what your are saying implies that 1RM is at about 1/3 of maximum
force. Is that what you mean?
Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:54 AM, John Casler <bioforce.inc@gte.net > wrote:
> **
>
>
> Regarding the SPEED of a 1RM;
>
> A 1RM will always be performed at the maximum safe speed, or else it
> will not represent a 1RM.
>
> Any effort attempted to use a "timed" or speed controlled rep will
> detract from maximal effort, and will not yield a 1RM.
>
> A 1RM is representative of the maximum load, resistance, or weight
> that one can use for a single rep of an action. If we employ a speed
> controlled
> (TUL) component, the level of ability to use the load will be compromised.
>
> While we will certainly observe that some 1RM's will appear to move
> slowly, this is relative to the load moved. A heavy load will reduce
> speed when increased until their will be an inability to produce motion.
>
> I might add, that a 1RM will also represent maximum Power Expression
> for a lift, action, or exercise.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Casler
> TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems
> Century City, CA
>
> -||||--------||||-
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:Supertraining@yahoogroups. ]com
> On Behalf Of samuel9888
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:13 AM
> To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [Supertraining] Re: 1 Rep Max
>
> Hi Giovanni,
>
> I don't understand the question--the "speed for recording 1RM?"
>
> The only thing I can think of where speed is relevant to your question
> is if you are video-recording the attempt: the speed of the camera.
> But speed has no relevance to testing for a 1RM: the person can
> perform the lift or he/she can't.
>
> Teresa Merrick, Ph.D.
> ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS
> Bellevue, NE
>
> --- In Supertraining@yahoogroups. , Giovanni Cirianicom
> <Giovanni.Ciriani@...> wrote:
> >
> > Teresa,
> > What's the correct speed for recording 1RM?
> >
> > Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:31 AM, samuel9888 <Sam68123@...> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Mark,
> > >
> > > I'm sure some protocals are in "Essentials of Strength and
> Conditioning"
> from NSCA (Baechle and Earle) or "Designing Resistance Training Programs"
> Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a lab setting.
> In a free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes), it isn't
> really all that useful.
> > >
> > > "Accurate results" is a very elusive concept for this test because
> there
> are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's
> one-rep max on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or
> sometimes even advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for
> individuals unless you are performing a research study where such test
results are outcome variables.
> > >
> > > If you Google "1-rep max test protocol", I'm sure you'll run
> > > across
> some
> scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used.
> > >
> > > Teresa Merrick, Ph.D.
> > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS
> > > Bellevue, NE
> > >
> > (meterial deleted)
>
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Does Exercise Make You Overeat?
Posted by: "Ralph Giarnella" ragiarn@yahoo.com ragiarn
Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:13 am (PDT)
http://well.blogs.nytimes. com/2012/ 04/16/does- exercise- make-you- overeat/? src=rechp
Ralph Giarnella MD
Southington Ct. USA
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Acid in gut
Posted by: "James Beckinsale" jamesbeckinsale@hotmail.com jamesbeckinsale
Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:14 am (PDT)
Good afternoon all, I was wondering if anyone has come across athletes (this one is 17) who after high intensity exercise or competition will either feel sick or are sick? It is really effecting a young swimmer I know and is just not very nice for him. Thank you for any help
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