Friday, 23 March 2012

[Supertraining] Digest Number 4532

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Re: Olympic lifting?

Posted by: "Allen Hedrick" allen.hedrick@yahoo.com   allen.hedrick

Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:06 pm (PDT)



Steve:
 
This is an accurate cue.  You are using the weight of the bar as an object to pull against to increase the speed of movement at which you can get under the bar. 
 
Allen Hedrick
Head Strength and Conditioning Coach
Colorado State University-Pueblo
Pueblo, CO

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From: headcmu03 <sjkcscs@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Supertraining] Olympic lifting?
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 21, 2012, 7:25 PM

 

A coaching cue to teach the catch after the second pull is to "pull the body under the bar." My question is, is this an accurate cue? Are you actually "pulling" as your driving under the bar? What are some other coaching cues you use when teaching the catch?

Steve Krzyminski
Indianapolis

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Re: Olympic lifting?

Posted by: "Keith Hobman" keith.hobman@usask.ca   khobman800

Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:06 pm (PDT)



I don't use this cue at all. If I'm worried about the catch I think of pulling 'the bar into the throat'. But mostly it is extension, extension, extension and speed, speed and more speed.

On 3/21/12 1:25 PM, headcmu03 wrote:
> A coaching cue to teach the catch after the second pull is to "pull the body under the bar." My question is, is this an accurate cue? Are you actually "pulling" as your driving under the bar? What are some other coaching cues you use when teaching the catch?
>
> Steve Krzyminski
> Indianapolis
>

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Re: Olympic lifting?

Posted by: "mark@extremeconditioning.com" mark@extremeconditioning.com   mark_l_cotton

Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:07 pm (PDT)



I always give the basic cue of "move the body around the bar". I don't say pull or push. If I tell someone to move against what they may naturally do (using good technique) I am afraid I'd hinder their progress.
 
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>From: headcmu03 <sjkcscs@hotmail.com>
>To: Supertraining@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 3:25 PM
>Subject: [Supertraining] Olympic lifting?
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>A coaching cue to teach the catch after the second pull is to "pull the body under the bar." My question is, is this an accurate cue? Are you actually "pulling" as your driving under the bar? What are some other coaching cues you use when teaching the catch?
>
>Steve Krzyminski
>Indianapolis
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Re: Olympic lifting?

Posted by: "Eric" oracleofihop@gmail.com   waffleprophet

Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:36 pm (PDT)



I do use this cue, especially now as I get older and slower.

:)

By maintaining control of the bar during the pull-under, I can, or
should, be able to use the weight to slightly pull myself down/forward.
This is not a huge thing, but more of a mental aspect of the lift for
me. For many lifters, it helps to teach them to get under the bar as
quickly as possible.

Eric Brown
NY

On 03/22/2012 09:41 AM, Keith Hobman wrote:
>
> I don't use this cue at all. If I'm worried about the catch I think of
> pulling 'the bar into the throat'. But mostly it is extension,
> extension, extension and speed, speed and more speed.
>
> On 3/21/12 1:25 PM, headcmu03 wrote:
> > A coaching cue to teach the catch after the second pull is to "pull
> the body under the bar." My question is, is this an accurate cue? Are
> you actually "pulling" as your driving under the bar? What are some
> other coaching cues you use when teaching the catch?
> >
> > Steve Krzyminski
> > Indianapolis
> >
>
>

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Re: Olympic lifting?

Posted by: "Keith Hobman" keith.hobman@usask.ca   khobman800

Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:13 pm (PDT)



I guess I'm coming from a background where athletes fail to get full extension - they cut it short to get under the bar.

Plus - I'm already OLD and SLOW!!!

:^)

I do believe the athlete will pull themselves under - I guess the question becomes what is the best focal point to improve the technique of the athlete. I may have to try this cue, but I have some concerns with it. Mostly - is the elbow bend starting to happen prior to full extension?

I suspect it is like a lot of other things - depends on the athlete and where they are at. Anyhow, my point is Eric makes a good point - there is obviously some use to this cue. My caution would be - one cue doesn't fit all. Make the cue work for the current technique and where you want the athlete to go.

Keith Hobman
Saskatoon, Canada

On 3/22/12 1:16 PM, Eric wrote:
> I do use this cue, especially now as I get older and slower.
>
> :)
>
> By maintaining control of the bar during the pull-under, I can, or
> should, be able to use the weight to slightly pull myself down/forward.
> This is not a huge thing, but more of a mental aspect of the lift for
> me. For many lifters, it helps to teach them to get under the bar as
> quickly as possible.
>
> Eric Brown
> NY
>
> On 03/22/2012 09:41 AM, Keith Hobman wrote:
> >
> > I don't use this cue at all. If I'm worried about the catch I think of
> > pulling 'the bar into the throat'. But mostly it is extension,
> > extension, extension and speed, speed and more speed.
> >
> > On 3/21/12 1:25 PM, headcmu03 wrote:
> > > A coaching cue to teach the catch after the second pull is to "pull
> > the body under the bar." My question is, is this an accurate cue? Are
> > you actually "pulling" as your driving under the bar? What are some
> > other coaching cues you use when teaching the catch?
> > >
> > > Steve Krzyminski
> > > Indianapolis
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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2a.

Re: Sustamine(TM) Maintains Performance Levels for Collegiate Basket

Posted by: "deadliftdiva@comcast.net" deadliftdiva@comcast.net

Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:06 pm (PDT)



After reading this one, I have some questions. First of all, Dr. Hoffman is clearly well connected - but the comments did not state whether or not he will profit from the sale or usage of the product personally in any way - that is to say, conflicts of interest, stock options, what have you were not laid out. A man with his widespread high connections likely draws a lot of possible opportunities... whether he or his affiliates are going to benefit is always a good question. There is clearly interest (financial) in marketing this product already since the note is on a financial channel.

Second, I'm not sure this study is really that meaningful. They took 10 ladies, and sweated them down - then rehydrated with water or the subject plus water. They did not compare to any currently used and less fancy hydration fluids either - e.g. Gatorade (trademarked etc). It's far more fashionable perhaps to intake some peptides with a fancy name vs the old standby - but if they work in a similar effectiveness, what are the odds the old standbys will be less expensive than peptide preps?

The same claims for performance improvement can be made for water :) seeing as they did 11 percent better than without hydration. There was water added to the subject supplement - thus most of the "performance improvement" is due to water? :)

The difference between the 11 percent and 12.5 percent isn't enough to convince me to use more than the current sugar/water/electrolyte preps. I suspect we might be in that near area of 12 percent or better with the standard old Gatorade...

Other than these points, sounds like this wasn't much fun as a study - and he used women instead of men, perhaps he was short volunteers? :) Probably risked being pelted with basketballs from a lack of sense of humor as the water loss become more pronounced....

the Phantom
aka Linda Schaefer, CMT/RMT, competing powerlifter
Denver, Colorado, USA

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Subject: [Supertraining] Sustamine(TM) Maintains Performance Levels for Collegiate Basketball Players, Study Shows - MarketWatch

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sustaminetm-maintains-performance-levels-for-collegiate-basketball-players-study-shows-2012-03-20

David Driscoll
Sydney, Australia

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Re: Should athletes be screened for heart problems? - New Scientist

Posted by: "deadliftdiva@comcast.net" deadliftdiva@comcast.net

Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:06 pm (PDT)



I'm not a doctor - but I think they might be wise do to a slightly more aggressive testing at least 1 time with athletes - say the treadmill EKG or ultrasound. (I say this based on the experience of my dad and uncle, who had NORMAL EKGs....but had definite "widowmakers". One had the 6 bypass and survived, the other was missed when screened AFTER the brother had his surgery....and dropped dead.). Those at risk for sudden death are a very small minority vs the general population of athletes overall. Cost if paid by the prospective athlete might also prevent some good candidates from playing (in some countries the expense would be considerable?).

The subject player had been screened 4x already with no signs of problems? - if the screening were to be effective, he should have shown symptoms or some positive response to the tests? Were the rest of his teammates also screened this many times?

Another good question is the overall tendency of someone to have a heart problem of this type in the overall population - would we aggressively screen everyone based on the potential of a small group to have the serious heart problem potential? clearly this isn't a likely thing for entire countries and exposes people to more side effects from the screening and possible false positives. There is also the question of how serious a problem has to be to prevent the athlete from competition - heart murmurs and other items come into play here?

The questions also are here with the individual case - did he have a family history or other markers that prompted them to screen him not once but 4x?

There are individual choices in supplementation or recreation (to put it mildly) that might bring on an unfortunate cardiac event on a soccer pitch....cocaine and other potentials being out there which may enhance or bring on the cardiac event. Obviously I am not saying this individual did such a thing, no evidence of that - but there are also the energy drinks and other possible triggers out there that a good many folks take in without consideration. An athlete might be screened and cleared under a normal or ideal condition of not having a substance in their bloodstream but compete under an altered circumstance - e.g. the hockey players who take up to 10 pseudoephedrine tablets before the game .....in which case, the circumstances may unfortunately shift toward an adverse cardiac event.

Where does the caution end? The extension of 'screening" might take us to a pretty insane place if you consider "screening" to include BMI analysis - say we took NFL player Tim Tebow and screened him for "cardiac risk" based on his BMI of 30 (obese) - and required him to "lose weight to get within the guidelines" as part of "reducing his cardiac risk". (the joke here is of course that Mr. Tebow is an extremely lean athlete and the BMI is way off base as usual in handling of muscular athletes...sigh.). Do we prohibit athletes with controlled diseases that attack the circulatory system from playing at all? say controlled diabetics? (that would include another NFL qb - Jay Cutler for one?) If we take linemen to task, how many would we have left? It is also said NFL players experience shortened lifespans - should we start to prevent people from playing the sport because of the danger to their overall lifespans??

Is there another question here - athletes coming from countries with less developed health care systems might well have been at risk from childhood, but not had the screening to catch such a tendency? Do we take the only profession such a person may have from them on the chance they may or may not have the cardiac event a test suggests may lie in wait?

Good questions all - and every time an athlete collapses, we ask the same question about "why wasn't this caught". What I think is that the event could well have happened walking down the street or running for a bus in their normal lives, had they not been athletes. It is the public collapse that may be remarkable, vs a less public problem that may have happened no matter what life the person in question selected. Perhaps being an athlete delayed the inevitable in some cases..

The Phantom
aka Linda Schaefer, CMT/RMT, competing powerlifter
Denver, Colorado, USA

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Subject: [Supertraining] Should athletes be screened for heart problems? - New Scientist - New Scientist

http://www.newscientist.com/mobile/article/dn21615-should-athletes-be-screened-for-heart-problems.html

David Driscoll
Sydney Australia

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Re: Should athletes be screened for heart problems? - New Scientist

Posted by: "cyclingcoach1" cyclingcoach@lycos.com   cyclingcoach1

Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:06 pm (PDT)



This is a tough one. I'm an exercise physiologist in a pediatric cardiology practice. I run the cardiopulmonary lab and write exercise prescriptions. We see quite a few children who have had an ECG that the computer has interpreted as "possible long QT" or "borderline long QT".

We'll exercise them to see what happens to the QT measurement in exercise. Very few have any problems. Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy is a different story.

Without question we would save lives testing more athletes. But if we used that same money for bicycle helmets or AED's would we save more lives? It becomes a cost-benefit analysis. That said I have had my kids tested since they are involved in competitive athletics.

http://www.jpeds.com/content/JPEDSHill

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/115/12/1643.full.pdf

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-03/aha-1sm031307.php

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Re: Should athletes be screened for heart problems? - New Scientist

Posted by: "Ralph Giarnella" ragiarn@yahoo.com   ragiarn

Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:54 pm (PDT)



This question comes up every time a prominent athlete dies on the court due to cardiac arrest. Inviariably the argument against testing often revolves around the cost of such a program.  How many athletes need to die before the cost of screening is out weighed by the cost of dying athletes?  

Italy has had in place a system of testing athletes for many years and has seen a dramatic drop in athletes dying from hypertrophic cardiomyopathy.  This condition is not related to blocked arteries.  As pointed out by cyclingcoach an ekg, which is relatively inexpensive is a starter and for those with questionable findings an Echocardiogram, which is also relatively inexpensive can be done as a follow up. 
Below is information on HCM.  There are scenting questionairs which can be helpful in narrowing down to those individuals are high risk and would require more expensive testing.

Ralph Giarnella MD
Southington Ct. USA 

https://www.4hcm.org/hcm/diagnosis/40255.html
Athletic Preparticipation Screening Guidelines
By Lisa Salberg 02/26/2009 10:39:00
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The American Heart Association has published guidelines for pre participation sports physicials.  The HCMA encourages each State to use these guidelines when updating there requirements for participation in high schools and college level programs. In addition the HCMA believes the same questions should be asked of those children participating in recreational level athletics and "club" teams.  
Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy is a condition that is generally not compatable with competitive athletics and therefore those with HCM should not participate in most athletic programs.  HCM is the leading cause of sudden cardiac arrest in young athletes.    

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From: cyclingcoach1 <cyclingcoach@lycos.com>
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Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 1:04 PM
Subject: [Supertraining] Re: Should athletes be screened for heart problems? - New Scientist - New Scientist


 
This is a tough one. I'm an exercise physiologist in a pediatric cardiology practice. I run the cardiopulmonary lab and write exercise prescriptions. We see quite a few children who have had an ECG that the computer has interpreted as "possible long QT" or "borderline long QT".

We'll exercise them to see what happens to the QT measurement in exercise. Very few have any problems. Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy is a different story.

Without question we would save lives testing more athletes. But if we used that same money for bicycle helmets or AED's would we save more lives? It becomes a cost-benefit analysis. That said I have had my kids tested since they are involved in competitive athletics.

http://www.jpeds.com/content/JPEDSHill

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/115/12/1643.full.pdf

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-03/aha-1sm031307.php

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Edzard Ernst: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence | BMJ

Posted by: "David Supertraining International" david@supertraininginternational.com   driscoll_david

Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:50 pm (PDT)



http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2012/03/19/edzard-ernst-absence-of-evidence-is-not-evidence-of-absence/

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Re: Edzard Ernst: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence | B

Posted by: "Ralph Giarnella" ragiarn@yahoo.com   ragiarn

Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:08 pm (PDT)



The key to the article:
The onus to demonstrate effectiveness of a treatment rests squarely on the shoulders of those who promote it by claiming that it is useful.

Ralph Giarnella MD 

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Subject: [Supertraining] Edzard Ernst: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence | BMJ


 
http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2012/03/19/edzard-ernst-absence-of-evidence-is-not-evidence-of-absence/

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Way off balance: science and the mainstream media

Posted by: "David Supertraining International" david@supertraininginternational.com   driscoll_david

Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:50 pm (PDT)



http://theconversation.edu.au/way-off-balance-science-and-the-mainstream-media-4080

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Cold-water immersion (cryotherapy) for preventing and treating muscl

Posted by: "David Supertraining International" david@supertraininginternational.com   driscoll_david

Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:45 pm (PDT)



http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD008262.pub2/abstract

New Cochrane Reviews

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Exercise interventions for smoking cessation - The Cochrane Library

Posted by: "David Supertraining International" david@supertraininginternational.com   driscoll_david

Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:45 pm (PDT)



http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD002295.pub4/abstract?systemMessage=Wiley+Online+Library+will+be+disrupted+24+March+from+10-14+GMT+%2806-10+EDT%29+for+essential+maintenance

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Help Your Child Lose Weight By Losing Weight Yourself

Posted by: "David Supertraining International" david@supertraininginternational.com   driscoll_david

Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:31 pm (PDT)



Wow, really? http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/242956.php

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Sydney, Australia

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Meet Your Goals with Research-Proved Tips and Techniques: Scientific

Posted by: "David Supertraining International" david@supertraininginternational.com   driscoll_david

Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:51 pm (PDT)



Long-term lifestyle changes require a combination of realistic expectations, internal motivation and achievable action plans.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-secrets-of-self-improvement&WT.mc_id=SA_sharetool_Twitter

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Early exposure to germs has lasting benefits : Nature News & Comment

Posted by: "David Supertraining International" david@supertraininginternational.com   driscoll_david

Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:51 pm (PDT)



http://www.nature.com/news/early-exposure-to-germs-has-lasting-benefits-1.10294

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