Messages In This Digest (8 Messages)
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- Re: Picking sides in A Science Debate From: Ralph Giarnella
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- Re: Picking sides in A Science Debate From: paula206
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- Re: What is clenbuterol and why was Alberto Contador banned for dopi From: Ralph Giarnella
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- Re: What is clenbuterol and why was Alberto Contador banned for dopi From: Giovanni Ciriani
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- Occupy Elsevier From: David P. Dillard
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- Re: Vaccinhaters: The LeRoy 15 tics were NOT caused by Gardasil. Per From: zabeth
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- Applied Kinesiology by Any Other Name… | Science-Based Medicine From: David Supertraining International
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- Would you like your telomeres tested? | BMJ From: David Supertraining International
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Re: Picking sides in A Science Debate
Posted by: "Ralph Giarnella" ragiarn@yahoo.com ragiarn
Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:06 pm (PST)
I think that this article is very relevant. One would think that there are no sides to science. Science should be based on the facts as presented. However we know live in a climate where interpretation of science is often based on ones religious beliefs and if science goes counter to what your religion has been teaching then the science must be long.
We are regressing to the the middle ages. Gallileo was persecuted for his science because it went against the church's teaching.
However in science we need to be sure to separate scientific fact from scientific theory. It is also important not to take scientific fact out of context and stretch the facts to prove something that they were not meant to prove.
I have seen posts on this very forum that have taken certain scientific facts and stretched them to fit a topic the individual was trying to make.
The author makes an important point when he states that we should beware of scientists making statements outside of their area of expertise.
This brings to mind a quotation€ ¢ " A little knowledge is a dangerous thing" Alexander Pop 1688-1744
Ralph Giarnella MD
Southington USA
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From: David Supertraining International <david@supertraininginternational. >com
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 11:40 PM
Subject: [Supertraining] Picking sides in A Science Debate
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At the core of so many issues confronting us today is a foundation of science and, all too often, there is a debate about the nature of that science. For the general population this presents a puzzling dilemma; how do you pick the right side in a science debate? This dilemma is complicated by the fact that most of us are not equipped with a level of knowledge, or the correct training to understand its context, to be able to decide upon points at issue in some very complex sciences.
http://riaus.org.au/articles/ picking-sides/
David Driscoll
Sydney, Australia
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Re: Picking sides in A Science Debate
Posted by: "paula206" PaulA206@aol.com
Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:50 pm (PST)
On Feb 8, 2012, at 3:28:44 AM, "Ralph Giarnella" <ragiarn@yahoo.com > wrote:
However in science we need to be sure to separate scientific fact from scientific theory.
Hmmmm. € ¦ While I agree with the intent of the letter this is excerpted from; it is important to know that a simple fact in no way resembles a theory. € ¦ More importantly here in a scientific discussion, a scientific theory is so much more that a simple hypothesis which may be not even be worthy of testing.
The lay public uses theory to mean hypothesis and the phrase "in theory it should work" is the prime example of this misuse.
A scientific theory has not only been proven multiple times in a full range of applications but has also been used to accurately predict new and unknown "facts" or properties and beget new hypotheses€ ¦ for testing.€ ¦ In due time over an indeterminate period of validation and confirmation and successful use in general application and new research, a theory may be accorded the status of a law in the scientific disciplines world wide where it is germane. € ¦
Theories set absolute limits and boundaries which are inviolate. € ¦ They are absolutely true and final arbiters. € ¦ A scientific hypothesis may be based on observations and experienced interpretation and reason, but must be tested for validity and may be ultimately found false or inadequate to explanation.
Newton's theories became laws; Einstein's theory encompasses and expands Newtons laws. € ¦ Newton's laws did not allow for conditions of scale and velocity outside local observation but he was not "wrong'"; his laws are simply a restricted or "local manifestation" of the greater theories of relativity as expounded upon by Einstein.
Silly ideas (hypotheses) like the much quoted "they said" legends are in no way scientific theories. € ¦ Ex: "they said a man will never fly faster than the speed of sound", as if some scientists said it was theoretically impossible to exceed the speed of sound, is simply untrue. € ¦ There never was any theoretical prohibition on matter traveling faster than sound. € ¦ Engineers doubted the ability of material structures € ¦ to overcome the stresses € ¦ involved in 'breaking the sound barrier'. € ¦ Scientists had no doubt that ordinary matter could travel that fast. € ¦
Now for ordinary matter to travel faster than the speed of light in a vacuum, is a theoretical prohibition. € ¦ It simply cannot be done due to the very nature of matter and energy. € ¦ This is a true theoretical limit and not subject to fallacy. € ¦ This is a tenet of Einstein's theory and not an untested hypothesis.
I am sure the writer meant hypothesis and not theory speaking scientifically in his e-mail but the point is important if we wish to understand science and yet, use ignorant lay terminology which obfuscates the real issues of merit. € ¦ At the risk of being accused of being pedantic, I raise this point in the memory of Dr. Siff.
Thank you,
Paul Boardman
Chicago
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Re: What is clenbuterol and why was Alberto Contador banned for dopi
Posted by: "Ralph Giarnella" ragiarn@yahoo.com ragiarn
Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:06 pm (PST)
Clenbuterol, marketed as Spiropent and Ventipulmin, is a sympathomimetic amine used by sufferers of breathing disorders as a decongestant and bronchodilator. People with chronic breathing disorders such as asthma use this as a bronchodilator to make breathing easier. It is most commonly available as the hydrochloride salt, clenbuterol hydrochloride.
Clenbuterol is a € ¢Î²2 agonist with some structural and pharmacological similarities to epinephrine and salbutamol, but its effects are more potent and longer-lasting as a stimulant and thermogenic drug. It causes an increase in aerobic capacity, central nervous system stimulation, and an increase in blood pressure and oxygen transportation. It increases the rate at which body fat is metabolized while increasing the body's BMR.[1]It is commonly used for smooth muscle relaxant properties. This means that it is a bronchodilator and tocolytic.
Clenbuterol is also prescribed for treatment of horses; however, equine use is usually the liquid form of clenbuterol.
Courtesy of Wikipedia
Ralph Giarnella MD
Southington USA
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Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 9:57 PM
Subject: [Supertraining] What is clenbuterol and why was Alberto Contador banned for doping?
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What is clenbuterol and why was Alberto Contador banned for doping?
http://t.co/cq2KYynk
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Re: What is clenbuterol and why was Alberto Contador banned for dopi
Posted by: "Giovanni Ciriani" Giovanni.Ciriani@Gmail.com gciriani
Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:17 pm (PST)
Why is this article being proposed to Supertraining? It is shallower than
what has already been shared on this subject one year ago, and it does not
discuss details that are important to understand this issue, such as the
plasticizers etc.
[Feel free to provide a link to the prior discussion or add your own comments re plastcizers - it seems you haven't contributed much more than Jim's post, maybe less as yours also lacked a sense of humour ;-) DD]
Giovanni Ciriani
West Hartford,
CT - USA
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Jim Orten <jim.orten@gmail.com > wrote:
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Occupy Elsevier
Posted by: "David P. Dillard" jwne@temple.edu jwneastro
Wed Feb 8, 2012 12:26 pm (PST)
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More on Elsevier
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Re: Vaccinhaters: The LeRoy 15 tics were NOT caused by Gardasil. Per
Posted by: "zabeth" e.i.hartline@gmail.com zabethdejoie
Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:48 pm (PST)
Be that as it may, this is why Gardasil has come under scrutiny:
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle /757789?src= nl_topic
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--- In Supertraining@yahoogroups. , David Supertraining International <david@...> wrote:com
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> Vaccinhaters: The LeRoy 15 tics were NOT caused by Gardasil. Period.
> February 6, 2012
> The data are in folks, and we can now say with 100% confidence that the tics of the young women in LeRoy, New York were NOT caused by HPV vaccine. How dare I make such a statement? Well, because the data have been released by the New York State Department of Health. You may read the report with your own peepers if you like (1).
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> http://skeweddistribution.com/ 2012/02/06/ vaccinhaters- the-leroy- 15-tics-were- not-caused- by-gardasil- period/
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> The site is called Skewed Distribution - where science meets common sense.
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Applied Kinesiology by Any Other Name… | Science-Based Medicine
Posted by: "David Supertraining International" david@supertraininginternational.com driscoll_david
Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:52 pm (PST)
Applied kinesiology (AK) was briefly mentioned in Scott Gavura's article on Food Intolerance Tests last week. Since AK is arguably the second silliest thing in CAM after homeopathy, I thought it wouldn't hurt to say a little more about it.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine. org/index. php/applied- kinesiology- by-any-other- name/
David Driscoll
Sydney, Australia
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Would you like your telomeres tested? | BMJ
Posted by: "David Supertraining International" david@supertraininginternational.com driscoll_david
Thu Feb 9, 2012 4:37 am (PST)
A company that is based in the United States, Life Length, is offering telomere testing and services€ ¢'½ from its laboratory in Spain, with the aim of making it easy for physicians and their patients to take our biomarker test,€ ¢'½ says its press release.1 It adds, Telomeres are best predictors of biological age and excellent general health indicators, highly related to the emergence of age-related diseases.
http://www.bmj.com/content/ 344/bmj.e681
David Driscoll
Sydney, Australia
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