Messages In This Digest (5 Messages)
- 1.1.
- Re: 13-Year-Old Girl Becomes Powerlifting World-Record Holde From: samuel9888
- 1.2.
- Re: 13-Year-Old Girl Becomes Powerlifting World-Record Holde From: deadliftdiva@comcast.net
- 3a.
- Re: Handing in the reigns from moderation From: driscoll_david
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- 1.1.
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Re: 13-Year-Old Girl Becomes Powerlifting World-Record Holde
Posted by: "samuel9888" Sam68123@cox.net samuel9888
Wed Feb 1, 2012 10:37 am (PST)
Hi Linda,
I don't know if you've been following USAPL much, but they have had a Raw Nationals since 2008 and IPF will be offering a World Championship in 2013 (I believe). Also, the Arnold has had a Raw Challenge for at least 2-3 years now.
USAPL/IPF allows belt, knee sleeves (slip-on only without straps to tighten), and wrist wraps.
I agree with you that a lifter needs to be strong before using gear. Unfortunately, I don't see many of the top equipped lifters entering the Raw categories: they pretty much figure "if it ain't broke, don't fix (change) it".
JMHO.
Teresa Merrick
Bellevue, NE
--- In Supertraining@yahoogroups. , deadliftdiva@com ... wrote:
>
> Perhaps - and there's the simple fact that raw lifting has not drawn the same lifters that equipped has so far.
>
>
> Sure, there are some good raw lifts - but equipment only makes up part of the picture, you must be strong before you put it on. Folks like Sioux-Z Hartwig (formerly a 97 lb'er) are good for considerably more than 2 plates raw. The Raw lifting in question also allows some assist in the knees - and a belt. The federation at the time Sioux-Z (just as a comparison) did not recognize RAW lifting - and therefore she did not put in a full strength effort officially at a meet, raw. That's just one of many smaller athletes who likely would have done pretty well. That 10 yo is strong though, and I hope she sticks with the sport. Who can say. :)
>
> Simply put, the best lifters overall and likely true owners of some of the "raw" records still haven't bothered to come forward and well, shatter what's there at present. Plus RUM is just 1 meet, it's a non federation meet - AAU (for example) has had raw lifting for the longest time of all feds - I'd look at their lifts to make some comparison, then start looking at feds with a lot of members and their raw meets.
>
> As I've said before, there are too many feds, too many so called WR holders. I don't bother to count mine any more - what I register is my lifetime PR's and how they increase if possible. Sure, I'm a master, but I also competed at the Olympia Invitational, which was only for those top ranked and literally by invitation only. Just like the Arnold invitational meets.
>
> It's too bad. It's part of the "everybody has to finish first" thing that has taken over. If you don't run from real competition, you won't always win. But you'll also know you really competed...instead of the sham of 1st all the time. Too many feds, too many divisions, have divided my sport. I compete the open in protest, and folks don't generally want to be in the open against even an old lady like me.
>
> Sigh.
>
> For me, PL is now about having fun. Challenging myself.
>
> I hope the little girls in the articles continue on and enjoy the sport for life. Lift and be strong.
>
> the Phantom
> aka Linda Schaefer, CMT/RMT, competing powerlifter
> Denver, Colorado, USA
>
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Re: 13-Year-Old Girl Becomes Powerlifting World-Record Holde
Posted by: "deadliftdiva@comcast.net" deadliftdiva@comcast.net
Wed Feb 1, 2012 12:16 pm (PST)
Hi Teresa,
Yes, I'm quite aware of USAPL and IPF and the grudging acceptance finally of raw lifting with IPF. I competed open IPF worlds and have some IPF World Masters titles, and I have still have most of my state and national USAPL records. I held an IPF World Master Record. I can even explain privately why I quit USAPL if you want to hear the tale. (In retrospect, one of the IPF rules that started right after I left actually might have prevented my departure....lol.) It's hard to get a quality meet to do any more and you have to both search many feds and expect to travel, at least when you live in Colorado. Experienced lifters also need a bit more lead time for training program turnaround plus if you want to keep your job, you do have to plan ahead quite a bit any more...sigh.
AAU has been doing raw longer than anybody else - but again, all the records and titles have become so diluted that one has to search over many feds to get a realistic picture. the Powerlifting Watch rankings too are not always complete, but better than PLUSA of late.
The definition of "raw" varies from belt only allowed all the way to full knee wraps...<shrug> so again, the variance is hard to compare the apples together, before we begin to account for "enhancement" of the lifter chemically or the variance in depth requirements (in the squat) or the pause/lack of one in the bench. There is even a fed out there that allows straps in the deadlift <disgusted look>.
Something for everyone, literally, and an attitude that if someone doesn't like what's going on, they "take their ball and go home" rather than sorting things out and well, not leading to more fracture in our sport.
Lastly, the continuing snow jobs regarding getting this sport into IOC muddy the water some more, changing of weight classes, trying to pretend the big people don't exist magically if you cut the weight classes in number and allowed size...<shrug> People will go where they are accommodated, and shoehorning both men and women who are tending to get larger into smaller groups with fewer slots at the higher levels will cause migrations. <stepping off soapbox>
the Phantom
aka Linda Schaefer, CMT/RMT, competing powerlifter
Denver, Colorado, USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "samuel9888" <Sam68123@cox.net >
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 8:21:19 AM
Subject: [Supertraining] Re: 13-Year-Old Girl Becomes Powerlifting World-Record Holde
Hi Linda,
I don't know if you've been following USAPL much, but they have had a Raw Nationals since 2008 and IPF will be offering a World Championship in 2013 (I believe). Also, the Arnold has had a Raw Challenge for at least 2-3 years now.
USAPL/IPF allows belt, knee sleeves (slip-on only without straps to tighten), and wrist wraps.
I agree with you that a lifter needs to be strong before using gear. Unfortunately, I don't see many of the top equipped lifters entering the Raw categories: they pretty much figure "if it ain't broke, don't fix (change) it".
JMHO.
Teresa Merrick
Bellevue, NE
--- In Supertraining@yahoogroups. , deadliftdiva@com ... wrote:
>
> Perhaps - and there's the simple fact that raw lifting has not drawn the same lifters that equipped has so far.
>
>
> Sure, there are some good raw lifts - but equipment only makes up part of the picture, you must be strong before you put it on. Folks like Sioux-Z Hartwig (formerly a 97 lb'er) are good for considerably more than 2 plates raw. The Raw lifting in question also allows some assist in the knees - and a belt. The federation at the time Sioux-Z (just as a comparison) did not recognize RAW lifting - and therefore she did not put in a full strength effort officially at a meet, raw. That's just one of many smaller athletes who likely would have done pretty well. That 10 yo is strong though, and I hope she sticks with the sport. Who can say. :)
>
> Simply put, the best lifters overall and likely true owners of some of the "raw" records still haven't bothered to come forward and well, shatter what's there at present. Plus RUM is just 1 meet, it's a non federation meet - AAU (for example) has had raw lifting for the longest time of all feds - I'd look at their lifts to make some comparison, then start looking at feds with a lot of members and their raw meets.
>
> As I've said before, there are too many feds, too many so called WR holders. I don't bother to count mine any more - what I register is my lifetime PR's and how they increase if possible. Sure, I'm a master, but I also competed at the Olympia Invitational, which was only for those top ranked and literally by invitation only. Just like the Arnold invitational meets.
>
> It's too bad. It's part of the "everybody has to finish first" thing that has taken over. If you don't run from real competition, you won't always win. But you'll also know you really competed...instead of the sham of 1st all the time. Too many feds, too many divisions, have divided my sport. I compete the open in protest, and folks don't generally want to be in the open against even an old lady like me.
>
> Sigh.
>
> For me, PL is now about having fun. Challenging myself.
>
> I hope the little girls in the articles continue on and enjoy the sport for life. Lift and be strong.
>
> the Phantom
> aka Linda Schaefer, CMT/RMT, competing powerlifter
> Denver, Colorado, USA
>
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Re: Test
Posted by: "Grant Jenkins" gjenkins@tennis.com.au gwj1978
Wed Feb 1, 2012 11:58 am (PST)
You passed..?
Regards,
Grant Jenkins
Twitter: @Grant_Jenkins
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Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 13:05
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Supertraining] Test
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Re: Test
Posted by: "Giovanni Ciriani" Giovanni.Ciriani@Gmail.com gciriani
Wed Feb 1, 2012 12:01 pm (PST)
Name, Location?
Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:05 PM, David Supertraining International <
david@supertraininginternational. > wrote:com
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> This is a test
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> Sent from my iPhone
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- 3a.
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Re: Handing in the reigns from moderation
Posted by: "driscoll_david" david@supertraining.com.au driscoll_david
Wed Feb 1, 2012 12:13 pm (PST)
I'll do my best to take over - hopefully technology can assist me to do a better job than last time ;-/
Great job Jamie, Mel would have been proud!
David Driscoll
--- In Supertraining@yahoogroups. , "carruthersjam" <Carruthersjam@com ...> wrote:
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> After much thought and consideration I have decided to hands the reigns over from moderating Supertraining. It has been a pleasure *attempting* to moderate the list. 7 years it has been - wow! It was never the same without the late Dr Mel Siff, but I'm glad ***WE*** gave it our best. Time to close this chapter for me. I hope it continues to prosper with the new moderator.
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> "Per Ferrum, Ad Astra" as Mel Siff noted:)
>
> Jamie Carruthers
> Wakefield, UK
>
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