Messages In This Digest (5 Messages)
- 1a.
- Re: 1 Rep Max From: mrtim6
- 1b.
- Re: 1 Rep Max From: samuel9888
- 1c.
- Re: 1 Rep Max From: Giovanni Ciriani
- 1d.
- Re: 1 Rep Max From: John Casler
- 1e.
- Re: 1 Rep Max From: Giovanni Ciriani
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- 1a.
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Re: 1 Rep Max
Posted by: "mrtim6" mrtim6@yahoo.com.au mrtim6
Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:29 am (PDT)
Not sure if there is "one" correct speed - I have conducted 1 rep max using the same rep speed to replicate results - e.g. In the bench press, squat and deadlift the weight has to be lowered in a controlled manor therefore an eccentric speed of 2 - 3 seconds may be desirable - if the athlete cannot control the eccentric speed of the movement then they have surpassed their 1 RM as a general guide.
It is lift dependent - because the Olympic Lifts require the movement to be completed explosively, therefore with explosive movements a favorable fast rep speed would be desired with maintenance of good form. E.g. If you have athletes performing plyometric type exercises - then maintenance of form would be the main criteria for the depth of the jump etc.
Good luck with your testing
On 15/04/2012, at 1:30 AM, Giovanni Ciriani <Giovanni.Ciriani@Gmail.com > wrote:
> Teresa,
> What's the correct speed for recording 1RM?
>
> Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
>
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:31 AM, samuel9888 <Sam68123@cox.net > wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > I'm sure some protocals are in "Essentials of Strength and Conditioning"
> > from NSCA(Baechle and Earle) or "Designing Resistance Training Programs"
> > (Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a lab setting. In a
> > free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes), it isn't really all
> > that useful.
> >
> > "Accurate results" is a very elusive concept for this test because there
> > are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's one-rep max
> > on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes even
> > advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you are
> > performing a research study where such test results are outcome variables.
> >
> > If you Google "1-rep max test protocol, I'm sure you'll run across some
> > scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used.
> >
> > Teresa Merrick, Ph.D.
> > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS
> > Bellevue, NE
> >
> >
> > --- In Supertraining@yahoogroups. , Martin Mark <mcm.fitness@com ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Is there a protocol for conducting a one rep max test. I woiuld think
> > that if the test is not done the exact same way each time it is
> > administered the results will not be accurate. If no such protocol exists,
> > can I have some thoughts on how you may conduct this proceedure......Thanks
> > for your
> > > help.....Martin C. Mark, CFT
> > > Fort Lauderd
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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- 1b.
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Re: 1 Rep Max
Posted by: "samuel9888" Sam68123@cox.net samuel9888
Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:29 am (PDT)
Hi Giovanni,
I don't understand the question--the "speed for recording 1RM?"
The only thing I can think of where speed is relevant to your question is if you are video-recording the attempt: the speed of the camera. But speed has no relevance to testing for a 1RM: the person can perform the lift or he/she can't.
Teresa Merrick, Ph.D.
ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS
Bellevue, NE
--- In Supertraining@yahoogroups. , Giovanni Ciriani <Giovanni.Ciriani@com ...> wrote:
>
> Teresa,
> What's the correct speed for recording 1RM?
>
> Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
>
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:31 AM, samuel9888 <Sam68123@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > I'm sure some protocals are in "Essentials of Strength and Conditioning" from NSCA (Baechle and Earle) or "Designing Resistance Training Programs" Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a lab setting. In a free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes), it isn't really all that useful.
> >
> > "Accurate results" is a very elusive concept for this test because there are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's one-rep max on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes even advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you are performing a research study where such test results are outcome variables.
> >
> > If you Google "1-rep max test protocol", I'm sure you'll run across some scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used.
> >
> > Teresa Merrick, Ph.D.
> > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS
> > Bellevue, NE
> >
> (meterial deleted)
- 1c.
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Re: 1 Rep Max
Posted by: "Giovanni Ciriani" Giovanni.Ciriani@Gmail.com gciriani
Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:38 am (PDT)
Teresa,
Doesn't force change with speed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Muscle_contracti on#Force- length_and_ force-velocity_ relationships
Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 12:13 PM, samuel9888 <Sam68123@cox.net > wrote:
> **
>
>
> Hi Giovanni,
>
> I don't understand the question--the "speed for recording 1RM?"
>
> The only thing I can think of where speed is relevant to your question is
> if you are video-recording the attempt: the speed of the camera. But speed
> has no relevance to testing for a 1RM: the person can perform the lift or
> he/she can't.
>
>
> Teresa Merrick, Ph.D.
> ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS
> Bellevue, NE
>
> --- In Supertraining@yahoogroups. , Giovanni Ciriani <Giovanni.Ciriani@com ...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Teresa,
> > What's the correct speed for recording 1RM?
> >
> > Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:31 AM, samuel9888 <Sam68123@...> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Mark,
> > >
> > > I'm sure some protocals are in "Essentials of Strength and
> Conditioning" from NSCA (Baechle and Earle) or "Designing Resistance
> Training Programs" Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a
> lab setting. In a free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes),
> it isn't really all that useful.
>
> > >
> > > "Accurate results" is a very elusive concept for this test because
> there are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's
> one-rep max on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes
> even advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you
> are performing a research study where such test results are outcome
> variables.
> > >
> > > If you Google "1-rep max test protocol", I'm sure you'll run across
> some scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used.
>
> > >
> > > Teresa Merrick, Ph.D.
> > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS
> > > Bellevue, NE
> > >
> > (meterial deleted)
>
>
>
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- 1d.
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Re: 1 Rep Max
Posted by: "John Casler" bioforce.inc@gte.net bioforce_inc
Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:38 am (PDT)
Regarding the SPEED of a 1RM;
A 1RM will always be performed at the maximum safe speed, or else it will
not represent a 1RM.
Any effort attempted to use a "timed" or speed controlled rep will detract
from maximal effort, and will not yield a 1RM.
A 1RM is representative of the maximum load, resistance, or weight that one
can use for a single rep of an action. If we employ a speed controlled
(TUL) component, the level of ability to use the load will be compromised.
While we will certainly observe that some 1RM's will appear to move slowly,
this is relative to the load moved. A heavy load will reduce speed when
increased until their will be an inability to produce motion.
I might add, that a 1RM will also represent maximum Power Expression for a
lift, action, or exercise.
Regards,
John Casler
TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems
Century City, CA
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On Behalf Of samuel9888
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:13 AM
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Supertraining] Re: 1 Rep Max
Hi Giovanni,
I don't understand the question--the "speed for recording 1RM?"
The only thing I can think of where speed is relevant to your question is if
you are video-recording the attempt: the speed of the camera. But speed has
no relevance to testing for a 1RM: the person can perform the lift or he/she
can't.
Teresa Merrick, Ph.D.
ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS
Bellevue, NE
--- In Supertraining@yahoogroups. , Giovanni Cirianicom
<Giovanni.Ciriani@...> wrote:
>
> Teresa,
> What's the correct speed for recording 1RM?
>
> Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
>
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:31 AM, samuel9888 <Sam68123@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > I'm sure some protocals are in "Essentials of Strength and Conditioning"
from NSCA (Baechle and Earle) or "Designing Resistance Training Programs"
Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a lab setting. In a
free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes), it isn't really all
that useful.
> >
> > "Accurate results" is a very elusive concept for this test because there
are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's one-rep max
on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes even
advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you are
performing a research study where such test results are outcome variables.
> >
> > If you Google "1-rep max test protocol", I'm sure you'll run across some
scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used.
> >
> > Teresa Merrick, Ph.D.
> > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS
> > Bellevue, NE
> >
> (meterial deleted)
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Re: 1 Rep Max
Posted by: "Giovanni Ciriani" Giovanni.Ciriani@Gmail.com gciriani
Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:19 am (PDT)
John,
Maximum power, according to the articles I have read, takes place at about
1/3 of maximum force. See also the graph
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ File:Muscle_ Force_Velocity_ relationship. png
Therefore what your are saying implies that 1RM is at about 1/3 of maximum
force. Is that what you mean?
Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:54 AM, John Casler <bioforce.inc@gte.net > wrote:
> **
>
>
> Regarding the SPEED of a 1RM;
>
> A 1RM will always be performed at the maximum safe speed, or else it will
> not represent a 1RM.
>
> Any effort attempted to use a "timed" or speed controlled rep will detract
> from maximal effort, and will not yield a 1RM.
>
> A 1RM is representative of the maximum load, resistance, or weight that one
> can use for a single rep of an action. If we employ a speed controlled
> (TUL) component, the level of ability to use the load will be compromised.
>
> While we will certainly observe that some 1RM's will appear to move slowly,
> this is relative to the load moved. A heavy load will reduce speed when
> increased until their will be an inability to produce motion.
>
> I might add, that a 1RM will also represent maximum Power Expression for a
> lift, action, or exercise.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Casler
> TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems
> Century City, CA
>
> -||||--------||||-
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Supertraining@yahoogroups. [mailto:Supertraining@com yahoogroups. ]com
> On Behalf Of samuel9888
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:13 AM
> To: Supertraining@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [Supertraining] Re: 1 Rep Max
>
> Hi Giovanni,
>
> I don't understand the question--the "speed for recording 1RM?"
>
> The only thing I can think of where speed is relevant to your question is
> if
> you are video-recording the attempt: the speed of the camera. But speed has
> no relevance to testing for a 1RM: the person can perform the lift or
> he/she
> can't.
>
> Teresa Merrick, Ph.D.
> ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS
> Bellevue, NE
>
> --- In Supertraining@yahoogroups. , Giovanni Cirianicom
> <Giovanni.Ciriani@...> wrote:
> >
> > Teresa,
> > What's the correct speed for recording 1RM?
> >
> > Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:31 AM, samuel9888 <Sam68123@...> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Mark,
> > >
> > > I'm sure some protocals are in "Essentials of Strength and
> Conditioning"
> from NSCA (Baechle and Earle) or "Designing Resistance Training Programs"
> Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a lab setting. In a
> free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes), it isn't really all
> that useful.
> > >
> > > "Accurate results" is a very elusive concept for this test because
> there
> are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's one-rep max
> on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes even
> advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you are
> performing a research study where such test results are outcome variables.
> > >
> > > If you Google "1-rep max test protocol", I'm sure you'll run across
> some
> scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used.
> > >
> > > Teresa Merrick, Ph.D.
> > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS
> > > Bellevue, NE
> > >
> > (meterial deleted)
>
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