Saturday 17 November 2012

Chika Ike celebrates 27th birthday with fans in Enugu

UN ambassador, Nollywood actress and CEO Fancy Nancy Collections, Chika Ike recently turned  27 and marked her birthday in Enugu with her fans. The actress also did a Fancy Nancy Trade Fair where she gave her fans 50% discount on all Fancy Nancy goods. Find more photos after the cut...



 
 
 
 
 

Chris Brown - Don't Judge Me (KolaSoul Cover)


The artiste KolaSoul has been compared to Chris Brown in terms of vocal ability and range a lot of times by a lot of producers. So we decided to jump into the lab to make a cover of the runaway hit single 'Dont judge Me' by Chris Brown.

The results were so phenomenal that we started playing Spot the difference with KolaSoul's cover of "Dont Judge Me". Couldn't keep it to ourselves anymore, so here is the official cover of Chris Brown's "Dont Judge me" by Kolasoul. Listen to it below

Keri Hilson in Nigeria


The singer came into the country yesterday. She's here for the Face of Sofa Lounge 2012 event which will take place today in Abuja. Who ever wins the contest today will get a brand new MG 350 Rover, N1.2million cash and a 7-day all expense paid trip to the UK. Second prize $4, 000 cash plus a trip to the UK, 3rd prize $3, 000 and a trip to the UK. Will bring you pictures from the event...

Actress Nse Nkpe Etim celebrates birthday

The birthday party held Friday November 9th at Deuces Lounge in Lagos. More photos when you continue...



 
 
 

Heavily pregnant Mercy Johnson and hubby jet out to the US

The couple are currently in Maryland, USA where they will remain until Mercy gives birth to their first child together. Waiting for the good news...

Ini Edo denies getting N600m from Gov Akpabio to build film school


“As a rule, I don’t reply every talk or report about me, but these recent ones are crazy and baseless. I don’t know where they got their information that my state governor offered me N600m to build an art or film academy in Uyo.This is just another work of mischief makers, who keep troubling celebrities. To put the records straight, my state governor has not offered me such money to build a film academy in Uyo as was falsely reported." - Ini Edo Ehiagwina

[marriagerestoration] Commit All to Him!!! Fri Nov 16th 2012 Doreen's Daily Delights

 

Commit All To The Lord!!

Psalms 37:5 "Commit your way to the LORD, Trust also in Him, and He will do it."

The first verse is Psalm 37:5: "Commit your way to the Lord, Trust also in Him, and He will do it. You can be in no circumstances in which the Lord cannot help you, in which He will not help you, if you look simply to Him, and commit all to Him. In every condition in which you may be placed, there is a promise; by that promise the Lord stands pledged to appear for you and help you. God is ever ready to deliverer you; only He will have you believe His word, exercise confidence in Him, plead the promise at His throne, and wait for its fulfillment.

Your situation may be discouraging but still you must commit all to the Lord and wait upon Him. David was faced with many obstacles but he committed all to the Lord and waited upon Him. David was in deep distress and almost overwhelming were his trials, but though his soul was cast down within him, he waited on the Lord, and he has recorded the result– "I waited patiently for the Lord; and he inclined unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up also out of a horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings. And he has put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God– many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the Lord."

Commit all to the Lord and rely totally upon Him. In order to establish our dependence upon God, Christ first reveals God's dependability and His power to sustain the helpless. ((Luke 12:24 KJV) Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls?). Then in the very next verse Jesus establishes the helplessness of our independence ((Luke 12:25 KJV) And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit?).

Notice the question that Jesus ask ((Luke 12:26 KJV) If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest?). Christ here has established God's ability and our inability and set the precedence for us to enter into the place of total dependence upon the provision of the Lord. Hear the words of Christ as He set the whole of our dependence in perspective with a question. (If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and tomorrow is cast into the oven; how much more will He clothe you, O ye of little faith?).

Be encouraged and know that God can move this mountain you are facing in your family. God can and will move it, if you will only trust
Him...He can make a way where there is no way. He is able to make every crooked path straight. All you have to do is commit your situation to the Lord and lean upon Him. In Jeremiah 33:3 God promised, "Call to Me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know."

God is faithful and we need to be faithful just as He is to the end. Whatever you tell God that you will do, stick to it. If you tell the
Lord that you are going to pray for your wayward spouse, stick with that commitment and commit your situation to Him. That becomes a
working vision for you to see the realities of God working in your life and gives you a hope to finish to the end. Commit your situation to the Lord. He will do this very thing for you. He is faithful!!

Be encouraged

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Friday 16 November 2012

[Supertraining] Digest Number 4632

4 New Messages

Digest #4632
1.1
Re: Slow twitch hypertrophy. by "Giovanni Ciriani" gciriani
1.2
Re: Slow twitch hypertrophy. by "Giovanni Ciriani" gciriani
3

Messages

Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:47 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Giovanni Ciriani" gciriani

Ralph,
If you look carefully at the graph
http://bit.ly/ZiUgB4<http://bit.ly/ZiUgB4.> (which
is taken from a peer reviewed article focusing on cycling), the vertical
axis has Watts. Therefore points A, B and C, which lie on an horizontal
line, give for output the same Wattage and therefore the same speed of the
bike. The RPM is shown on the horizontal axis, and the RPM of points A, B
and C are clearly in increasing order.

What I focused on, was your implication that lower cadence requires more
fiber type II. That is correct when you move from point B to point A, but
it is exactly the opposite when you move form point C to point B: in the
latter case you move from the red curve, which has a higher proportion of
type II fibers, to the blue curve with a lower proportion of type II fibers.

Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Ralph Giarnella <ragiarn@yahoo.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> The problem with the graph you have cited is that there is no indication
> as to what is the actual RPM.
>
> My contention is that the peak Type II fiber recruitment is most likely in
> the 50-60 rpm range which would correspond to point D. When you compare
> point B to point C you are comparing two different efforts and therefore
> two different power outputs.
>
> The 50-60 rpm is a range often used in climbing very steep hills.
> Cruising range on a for a seasoned cyclists is between 80-90 rpm and
> sprinting range is in the 120-140 range.
>
>
> Ralph Giarnella MD
> Southington Ct. USA
>
> ________________________________
> From: Giovanni Ciriani <Giovanni.Ciriani@Gmail.com>
> To: Supertraining@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 10:18 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [Supertraining] Slow twitch hypertrophy.
>
>
>
> Ralph,
> What you wrote is presumably true for the particular level of power
> developed.
>
> However, you seem to imply that an increase of RPM while developing the
> same power, always decreases the recruitment of fiber type II. Depending on
> the situation, it could be quite the opposite. Consider for instance the
> figure you can download at http://bit.ly/ZiUgB4. It depicts power vs speed
> (or RPM) as it has been shown by published research papers.
>
> The case you describe is what we see going from point A to B: same power
> and RPM increases; recruitment of muscle fiber type II decreases. However,
> if instead we consider going from point B to C, quite the opposite
> recruitment takes place: same power; the RPM increases; recruitment of
> muscle fiber type II increases.
>
> Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Ralph Giarnella <ragiarn@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Giovanni wrote:
> >
> > The indications give for higher/lower cadence utilization and slow/fast
> > fiber utilization needs to be put in the contest of power (wattage)
> > developed, otherwise it's meaningless. Actually if you are pedaling at
> the
> > optimal cadence for each given wattage, the lower the wattage, the lower
> > the cadence and the lower the percentage of fast twitch fiber utilized.
> > Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
> >
> > I should been more precise in my answer. In both instances I was assuming
> > the same power output.
> >
> > If I cycle at 150 watts at a cadence of 60 rpm I will use more type II a
> > fibers than if I cycle at at 150 watts at 90 rpm. The lower cadence
> > requires more torque per stroke than the higher cadence.
> >
> >
> > Ralph Giarnella MD
> > Southington Ct. USA
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Giovanni Ciriani <Giovanni.Ciriani@Gmail.com>
> > To: Supertraining@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 5:14 PM
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Supertraining] Slow twitch hypertrophy.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ralph,
> > The indications give for higher/lower cadence utilization and slow/fast
> > fiber utilization needs to be put in the contest of power (wattage)
> > developed, otherwise it's meaningless. Actually if you are pedaling at
> the
> > optimal cadence for each given wattage, the lower the wattage, the lower
> > the cadence and the lower the percentage of fast twitch fiber utilized.
> > Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Ralph Giarnella <ragiarn@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > **
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > JRT wrote
> > >
> > >
> > > "Endurance training fatigues fibers to only a certain % at very slow
> > > rates?"
> > >
> > > I am not sure that I understand what you mean by that statement.
> > >
> > > My primary training is on a bicycle . The most common cadence for me is
> > > in the 80-90 rpm. Each leg does 80 - 90 reps/minute. A slow cadence is
> in
> > > the 50-60 rpm. At the higher cadence type I fibers are the predominant
> > > fibers being utilized. At the lower cadence more type IIa fibers are
> > > utilized.
> > >
> > > A beginner will have difficulty riding 30-60 minutes at either cadence.
> > > With training seasoned cyclists can ride 5-6 hrs continuously. It is
> > > obvious that training increases time to fatigue. However the same
> > training
> > > also increases power output. A beginner will have difficulty
> sustaining a
> > > continuous pace at 120-130 watts for 30-40 minutes. A seasoned cyclist
> > can
> > > sustain power ratings of 250-350+watts for 5-6 hrs.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ralph Giarnella MD
> > > Southington Ct. USA
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: "JRTELLE@AOL.COM" <JRTELLE@AOL.COM>
> > > To: Supertraining@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 1:45 PM
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [Supertraining] Slow twitch hypertrophy.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi John
> > >
> > > SEE BELOW
> > >
> > > John Casler writes:
> > >
> > > I am a bit confused with the "assumption" that a muscle requires
> training
> > > to
> > > fatigue or exhaustion for a strength or hypertrophic adaptation.
> > >
> > > telle - right although there MAY be something to training at max
> > momentary
> > > to a high degree of fatigue in as short a time span as possible. Many
> > have
> > > suggested this Siff? Zatsiorsky ------
> > >
> > > Casler writes: It is my understanding that the two primary stimuli to
> > > muscle
> > > conditioning/adaptation for the qualities of Strength and Hypertrophy
> are
> > > TENSION Levels and amount of WORK performed at those levels. The
> overload
> > > parameters for these would be the level of Tension, and the Volume of
> > Work
> > > performed at those Tension Levels.
> > >
> > > telle -- so does one do 95% of max reps X's 10-15 sets. Or 87% or 85%,
> or
> > > --------? with research suggesting that 80%+ is best for high threshold
> > > fibers? at max concentric speeds and ? eccentric speeds or w/ overload
> > > eccentrics which time and time again prove effective for hypertrophy!
> And
> > > do we know how far high threshold fibers are fatigued at 80%+? Perhaps
> > they
> > > fatigue down to 40% or lower max tensions. Drop sets have proved
> > effective
> > > with high momentary tensions surely past 40% for the high threshold!
> > >
> > > Casler writes: A secondary metabolic stimulus would be
> fatigue/exhaustion
> > > but the
> > > adaptation to that stimulus would be "ENDURANCE" and not strength or
> > > hypertrophy.
> > >
> > > telle-- depends on the rate and level of fatigue. Endurance training
> > > fatigues fibers to only a certain % at very slow rates?! Big difference
> > > maybe?
> > >
> > > Casler writes: So if you want to cause the adaptation of strength and
> or
> > > hypertrophy, you
> > > would employ "HIGH TENSIONS" and ADEQUATE WORK at those tensions to
> > create
> > > OVERLOAD. Attempting to cause fatigue or exhaustion would be more to
> > > stimulating metabolic endurance.
> > >
> > > telle -- Again what are "HIGH TENSIONS" and ADEQUATE WORK"? at those
> > > tensions. Much contrary evidence I believe though don't have time now
> to
> > > look it up.
> > >
> > > Casler writes: It seems that the "set to failure" idea has somehow been
> > > assumed, when in
> > > fact, it doesn't apply (in any way I can see) to building Strength,
> > Speed,
> > > or Hypertrophy. If one also wishes to cause an endurance adaptation,
> then
> > > go to fatigue or exhaustion.
> > >
> > > telle -- One does not need to train to failure ever really. For a huge
> > > number of reasons it is quite possible that training to 2 reps short of
> > > failure, or initiating lower phase partials instead of expending huge
> > > amounts of neural energies "locking out" failure or near failure loads
> --
> > > AT TOP END PHASES OF MOVEMENTS THAT NO LONGER CAN DEVELOP ANY
> MEANINGFUL
> > > TENSIONS -- if they ever really did [TENSION - LENGTH AND ASYMMETRICAL
> > > TENSION/FORCE FATIGUE RATES] conserves vast amounts of neural energies
> > for
> > > further high momentary high tension -- like drop sets -- work and for
> > > recovery I sent, I hope my opinions of these thoughts but may have to
> > > resend (OR SEND FOR FIRST TIME)
> > >
> > > Jerry Telle
> > >
> > > Lakewood CO USA
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:47 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Giovanni Ciriani" gciriani

Ralph,
I had forgotten the bibliographic reference for the article. I can send you
a copy of it if you wish.

MacIntosh BR, Neptune RR, Horton JF. Cadence, power, and muscle activation
in cycle ergometry. *Med Sci Sports Exerc*. 2000;32(7):1281–1287.

Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Giovanni Ciriani <
giovanni.ciriani@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ralph,
> If you look carefully at the graph http://bit.ly/ZiUgB4<http://bit.ly/ZiUgB4.> (which
> is taken from a peer reviewed article focusing on cycling), the vertical
> axis has Watts. Therefore points A, B and C, which lie on an horizontal
> line, give for output the same Wattage and therefore the same speed of the
> bike. The RPM is shown on the horizontal axis, and the RPM of points A, B
> and C are clearly in increasing order.
>
> What I focused on, was your implication that lower cadence requires more
> fiber type II. That is correct when you move from point B to point A, but
> it is exactly the opposite when you move form point C to point B: in the
> latter case you move from the red curve, which has a higher proportion of
> type II fibers, to the blue curve with a lower proportion of type II fibers.
>
>
> Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
>
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Ralph Giarnella <ragiarn@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> The problem with the graph you have cited is that there is no indication
>> as to what is the actual RPM.
>>
>> My contention is that the peak Type II fiber recruitment is most likely
>> in the 50-60 rpm range which would correspond to point D. When you compare
>> point B to point C you are comparing two different efforts and therefore
>> two different power outputs.
>>
>> The 50-60 rpm is a range often used in climbing very steep hills.
>> Cruising range on a for a seasoned cyclists is between 80-90 rpm and
>> sprinting range is in the 120-140 range.
>>
>>
>> Ralph Giarnella MD
>> Southington Ct. USA
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Giovanni Ciriani <Giovanni.Ciriani@Gmail.com>
>> To: Supertraining@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 10:18 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Supertraining] Slow twitch hypertrophy.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ralph,
>> What you wrote is presumably true for the particular level of power
>> developed.
>>
>> However, you seem to imply that an increase of RPM while developing the
>> same power, always decreases the recruitment of fiber type II. Depending
>> on
>> the situation, it could be quite the opposite. Consider for instance the
>> figure you can download at http://bit.ly/ZiUgB4. It depicts power vs
>> speed
>> (or RPM) as it has been shown by published research papers.
>>
>> The case you describe is what we see going from point A to B: same power
>> and RPM increases; recruitment of muscle fiber type II decreases. However,
>> if instead we consider going from point B to C, quite the opposite
>> recruitment takes place: same power; the RPM increases; recruitment of
>> muscle fiber type II increases.
>>
>> Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Ralph Giarnella <ragiarn@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > **
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Giovanni wrote:
>> >
>> > The indications give for higher/lower cadence utilization and slow/fast
>> > fiber utilization needs to be put in the contest of power (wattage)
>> > developed, otherwise it's meaningless. Actually if you are pedaling at
>> the
>> > optimal cadence for each given wattage, the lower the wattage, the lower
>> > the cadence and the lower the percentage of fast twitch fiber utilized.
>> > Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
>> >
>> > I should been more precise in my answer. In both instances I was
>> assuming
>> > the same power output.
>> >
>> > If I cycle at 150 watts at a cadence of 60 rpm I will use more type II a
>> > fibers than if I cycle at at 150 watts at 90 rpm. The lower cadence
>> > requires more torque per stroke than the higher cadence.
>> >
>> >
>> > Ralph Giarnella MD
>> > Southington Ct. USA
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Giovanni Ciriani <Giovanni.Ciriani@Gmail.com>
>> > To: Supertraining@yahoogroups.com
>> > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 5:14 PM
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: [Supertraining] Slow twitch hypertrophy.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ralph,
>> > The indications give for higher/lower cadence utilization and slow/fast
>> > fiber utilization needs to be put in the contest of power (wattage)
>> > developed, otherwise it's meaningless. Actually if you are pedaling at
>> the
>> > optimal cadence for each given wattage, the lower the wattage, the lower
>> > the cadence and the lower the percentage of fast twitch fiber utilized.
>> > Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA
>> >
>> > On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Ralph Giarnella <ragiarn@yahoo.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > **
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > JRT wrote
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "Endurance training fatigues fibers to only a certain % at very slow
>> > > rates?"
>> > >
>> > > I am not sure that I understand what you mean by that statement.
>> > >
>> > > My primary training is on a bicycle . The most common cadence for me
>> is
>> > > in the 80-90 rpm. Each leg does 80 - 90 reps/minute. A slow cadence
>> is in
>> > > the 50-60 rpm. At the higher cadence type I fibers are the predominant
>> > > fibers being utilized. At the lower cadence more type IIa fibers are
>> > > utilized.
>> > >
>> > > A beginner will have difficulty riding 30-60 minutes at either
>> cadence.
>> > > With training seasoned cyclists can ride 5-6 hrs continuously. It is
>> > > obvious that training increases time to fatigue. However the same
>> > training
>> > > also increases power output. A beginner will have difficulty
>> sustaining a
>> > > continuous pace at 120-130 watts for 30-40 minutes. A seasoned cyclist
>> > can
>> > > sustain power ratings of 250-350+watts for 5-6 hrs.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Ralph Giarnella MD
>> > > Southington Ct. USA
>> > >
>> > > ________________________________
>> > > From: "JRTELLE@AOL.COM" <JRTELLE@AOL.COM>
>> > > To: Supertraining@yahoogroups.com
>> > > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 1:45 PM
>> > >
>> > > Subject: Re: [Supertraining] Slow twitch hypertrophy.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Hi John
>> > >
>> > > SEE BELOW
>> > >
>> > > John Casler writes:
>> > >
>> > > I am a bit confused with the "assumption" that a muscle requires
>> training
>> > > to
>> > > fatigue or exhaustion for a strength or hypertrophic adaptation.
>> > >
>> > > telle - right although there MAY be something to training at max
>> > momentary
>> > > to a high degree of fatigue in as short a time span as possible. Many
>> > have
>> > > suggested this Siff? Zatsiorsky ------
>> > >
>> > > Casler writes: It is my understanding that the two primary stimuli to
>> > > muscle
>> > > conditioning/adaptation for the qualities of Strength and Hypertrophy
>> are
>> > > TENSION Levels and amount of WORK performed at those levels. The
>> overload
>> > > parameters for these would be the level of Tension, and the Volume of
>> > Work
>> > > performed at those Tension Levels.
>> > >
>> > > telle -- so does one do 95% of max reps X's 10-15 sets. Or 87% or
>> 85%, or
>> > > --------? with research suggesting that 80%+ is best for high
>> threshold
>> > > fibers? at max concentric speeds and ? eccentric speeds or w/ overload
>> > > eccentrics which time and time again prove effective for hypertrophy!
>> And
>> > > do we know how far high threshold fibers are fatigued at 80%+? Perhaps
>> > they
>> > > fatigue down to 40% or lower max tensions. Drop sets have proved
>> > effective
>> > > with high momentary tensions surely past 40% for the high threshold!
>> > >
>> > > Casler writes: A secondary metabolic stimulus would be
>> fatigue/exhaustion
>> > > but the
>> > > adaptation to that stimulus would be "ENDURANCE" and not strength or
>> > > hypertrophy.
>> > >
>> > > telle-- depends on the rate and level of fatigue. Endurance training
>> > > fatigues fibers to only a certain % at very slow rates?! Big
>> difference
>> > > maybe?
>> > >
>> > > Casler writes: So if you want to cause the adaptation of strength and
>> or
>> > > hypertrophy, you
>> > > would employ "HIGH TENSIONS" and ADEQUATE WORK at those tensions to
>> > create
>> > > OVERLOAD. Attempting to cause fatigue or exhaustion would be more to
>> > > stimulating metabolic endurance.
>> > >
>> > > telle -- Again what are "HIGH TENSIONS" and ADEQUATE WORK"? at those
>> > > tensions. Much contrary evidence I believe though don't have time now
>> to
>> > > look it up.
>> > >
>> > > Casler writes: It seems that the "set to failure" idea has somehow
>> been
>> > > assumed, when in
>> > > fact, it doesn't apply (in any way I can see) to building Strength,
>> > Speed,
>> > > or Hypertrophy. If one also wishes to cause an endurance adaptation,
>> then
>> > > go to fatigue or exhaustion.
>> > >
>> > > telle -- One does not need to train to failure ever really. For a huge
>> > > number of reasons it is quite possible that training to 2 reps short
>> of
>> > > failure, or initiating lower phase partials instead of expending huge
>> > > amounts of neural energies "locking out" failure or near failure
>> loads --
>> > > AT TOP END PHASES OF MOVEMENTS THAT NO LONGER CAN DEVELOP ANY
>> MEANINGFUL
>> > > TENSIONS -- if they ever really did [TENSION - LENGTH AND ASYMMETRICAL
>> > > TENSION/FORCE FATIGUE RATES] conserves vast amounts of neural energies
>> > for
>> > > further high momentary high tension -- like drop sets -- work and for
>> > > recovery I sent, I hope my opinions of these thoughts but may have to
>> > > resend (OR SEND FOR FIRST TIME)
>> > >
>> > > Jerry Telle
>> > >
>> > > Lakewood CO USA
>> > >
>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> > >
>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:49 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Jerry Telle"


Greetings to the enlightened,

> SEE BELOW
>
> Landau writes. Very Nice - Dog a Man when he is dead.
>
> Telle--I "dogged" him every chance I could when he was alive! I finally, after 20 years of trying, in the early 90's I had a chance to meet him eyeball to eyeball in Las Vegas. I expected, planned and hoped for a loud and intense confrontation which I really enjoy when with someone I detest! I had a booklet of my research which I gave to him -- saying something along the lines of "I think you are going to find this disturbing"! He calmly looked at it and said "I'll look it over and get back to you". My disappointment was immense. I expected him to pull his OMNIPRESENT, INFINITOMETRIC, TRIAXIAL, MULTIDIRECTIAL 357 magnum he had always carried and threatened many people with -- and at the same time start running on in a tirade using physics terms no one ever heard of and ommitting all of physiologies main principals such as the "tension - length" or "tension - speed" principles.
>
> I had such a confrontation with the Jonesd (both as an amphetamine and Jones addict) Mike Menzer at Bill Phillips "challenge an expert" seminar. I told him in my best imitation of Jones that I could muster that the "ALL or NONE" principle was a neural not an All or None muscle force event -- after which I told him Jonses' resistance curves were totally wrong also! He went somewhat ballistic and told Bill Phillips to drag me out of there. Bill said "that's enough" and I had to return to my seat. Iv'e never had so much fun.
>
> Alas this was not to come to pass with Jones. After he said "I will get back to you" he calmly took my brochure and walked away. I'm still waiting! What do you think my chances are?
>
> Landau writes. "Well thanks to Arthur Jones, a
> "dummy" like me exists to take his foundations to a "moronic" level.
>
> telle -- you're off to a good start
>
> Landau writes. Well let me tell you something, if his foundations were in stone today, there would be a rational ray of hope.

Telle -- And what foundations would those be? And RATIONAL? in what way? He was a lunatic. Have you read Roaches, MUSCLE, SMOKE AND MIRRORS. Vol II ?

> Landau writes. "But the foundations that exist today in "exercise fizzilogy" are worse than pathetic".

Telle. Again and what "fizzilogical" foundations exist today ?

> Landau writes. I have to thank Arthur Jones from moving me away from what exists in the worse than Silly/Macho Culture today.

Telle. Jones was the ultimate in Macho Culture.
>
>
> Jerry Telle
Lakewood CO USA
>
>
In a message dated 11/11/2012 12:50:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
JRTELLE@AOL.COM writes:

Dear Supertrainers,
Below are my latest thoughts on resistance training. I havepresented these
over the years, apparently to no avail, to some of the biggest names
inresearch and physiology.
It is now glaringly apparent that unless one has a stronglifting
background that they have no idea what they are researching andresults they
find. Hatfield is a huge example of this. Fred is only about 10X�ssmarter than
Arthur Jones of Nautilus fame, who many still believe to be adesign
genius. He was actually a moron when it came to research and design --telling
more lies and exaggerations along the way than a most any of us fromthat era
are willing to believe.
Anyway, Kim Goss and I were to write a Jones -- force-strengthcurve
article for BFS (Bigger-Faster-Stronger) and Kim said it needed to be atmost, 4
pages. After 64 pages I knew I was way past any help to Kim who wrote agood
article anyway. But I was well into having a great time
crystallizingpresent beliefs and venting on Arthur who I had hated from the very beginning!If
you were aware of resistance training from the early 70�s through the 90�
syou were aware of his grossly offensive style. Over the years he
challenged,be-littled, called anyone stupid or much worse who did not agree with him.
Healways carried and often brandished a 357 magnum and was known to use
both endsof it to increase his fear factor for his paranoid pathological
ends. Hethreatened condescendingly in the most inappropriate manner, everyone
in theweight training industry � even Bill Pearl who somehow had Jones pretty
muchfigured out and also according to Roach who wrote the wildly well
researchedand interesting �MUSCLE, SMOKE & MIRRORS Vol I, II & III. Volume
IIfocuses pretty much on Arthur�s tactics -- including contributions and
negative legacies he left behind. 90% ofthe Jones information comes from this
book.

I was inventing my own devices along the way and even wroteJones on a #
occasions to tell him I had better ways of training and varyingresistance.
Every time he said we were all idiots who couldn�t find our ----with either
hand I was spurned onward as he brought back in full force thememories of
bullies from days past! Since I never got any death threats like Pearl and
did he probably didn�t even seemy writings. Finally in the mid
90�s I had a chance to meet with him eyeball toeyeball..

This expanding paper has many objectives:
� the history and definition of FORCE/STRENGTH & RESISTANCE CURVES.
� what force curves are and how to utilize this informationin your
training. This gets involved rather quickly, but if I keep thetrain of concept
from basic andthen advance it at rates we both will understand we will know
more about forcecurves and critical concepts that will put both of our
understandings way overthe contemporary �curve!!�

We will see that
� most expert trainers have only a cursory idea what thesecurves really
are,
� why machines AND FREE WEIGHTS have failed to live up totheir potentials
in the past and,
� how and why free weights are the very best resistance and,
� how we can use this information for dramatically improvingour and our
clients training �and lastly
� what the future directions may be.
Much of the paper is framed w/ my private battles w/ Jones(though he had
no idea) AND my private battles with understanding and utilizing the present
state of the hypertrophy, strength and power art andhow to best present
these ideas to others.

Here are some excerpts from the ?? pages and continually expendingarticle
with MOST editorializing omitted.

A TALE OF TWO INVENTORS A GENIUS AND A DUMB JOCK
A Jones from every indication was a free spirited, oftenvolatile, terribly
intelligent(in some ways) adventurer from his very earliestdays. He was
born on a lightening bolt into a family of Doctors��..with a huge
superiority complex.

TELLE THE LESS THAN MENTIONABLE EARLY DAYS
(Un)FortunatelyI was born to a rocket scientist ----- with a yet to be
recognized mentaldisorder ADD -- which eventually matured into ADD/BIPOLAR II.
I was the quintessential playground whipping post andcollector of sand, a
goofy looking (and probably acting) tall, gangly yearahead in school,
precocious reader reading at the 8th grade level inthe 2nd grade --with a huge
inferiority complex.
-----------------muchdeleted-----------------------
��.. The difference between my research machine andisokinetics research
by noted researchers(Komi & Hakkineen) or isometrics(Jones claim) is it
measured expressed force DYNAMICALLY over theentire ROM using INERTIAL (actual
weight) as the primaryresistance and if necessary an active hydraulic
cylinder, which couldeither �fill in� end of concentric rep resistance forces
or actively createimmense (& possibly quite dangerous) eccentric forces)��
INERTIAL RESISTANCEIS THE MUST FACTOR IN RESEARCH AND TRAINING �.. MUCH
DELETED �inertialresistance must be provided at the EIC phase for many
different reasons-------------

PERTINENT FACTS
1. Of great and unfortunate co-incidence isokinetic forcecurves measured
mostly at joint rotations of 90� to 300� per second apparentlyvalidated the
max isometric measuring of different positions over the ROM (withrests
between efforts) manifestations ���. That is the general isokinetic curveshape
was similar to the isometric curve with the isometric being ofconsiderably
greater magnitude and isokinetic concentric curves decreasingsymmetrically
in force as joint rotation speeds increased.

2. ��� Now, if you will, think back to what a max, raw/noshirt or suit,
attempt bench or squat felt like. You may remember an energydepleting
eccentric lowering -- an explosive start, a �� grind it out throughthe sticking
point almost to lockout AND �� a failure!!! -- that or an �excruciating
lockout. And all this at the point where your strength was tested���
(w/short movements in a power rack)�� 70-80% GREATER than the initialstarting
phase!!!!! So where did your big 500 lb lockout strength go? Why ofcourse --
to ���that RUINATOR OF Max attempts���.. FATIGUE!! -- and allunder 2.5
seconds !GRAPH , 2, successful lift or --------------.

The same thing happens over a set of repetitions -- athleteforces at the
end of the concentric START of eccentric reps fades faster thanthe
concentric beginnings and eccentric end phases of each movement����.

Regardless, after much trial and error I had to face theinevitable
reality. The concept of a single athlete expressed force curve foranyone, FOR ANY
MOVEMENT, was totally wrong.

In essence athlete force varies eachrep as a function of time, movement
position, eccentric or concentric movement,rate of movement, effort
intensity, fatigue, time of day and, and, and ????? Not to mention the concept of a
full ROM (AND TRAINING TO FAILURE) asbeing questionable.

In essence there is no consistent forcecurve configuration.. There are as �
good as possible� fixed curves for machineswith all of their huge
attendant problems.�
Simply(?) put, every exercise has a momentary measureableexternal
expressed athlete force curve, as a function of the above variables,which describes
the max potential expressed force of the exerciser over, NOTonly the
entire ROM, if desired BUT PARTICULARLY AND MORE IMPORTANTLY,OVER THE RANGE OF
MOTION/MOVEMENT PHASE THAT GENERATES THE HIGHEST INTERNALMUSCLE FIBER
TENSIONS�����
���. AT THIS POINT TRAINING TAKEAWAYS
1. When using bands or chains increase the top of movementloading by 15%
on exercises with an ascending or increasing force profile,squats, deadlifts
and presses during the rep. Drop of the chains 2 reps before failure and
continue���.
�������. with intelligent training a max initial fast aspossible
concentric movement effort and equal, or increased eccentric effortfocus -- again
at the EIC Eccentric-isometric-Concentric phase -- whereFIBER TENSION
starts out highest and resists fatigue the longest equates tomaximal �fresh�
fiber tensions at the first rep and max momentary fatiguingfiber tension
throughout the set.

Previously, max expressed and measureable forces,apparently regardless of
fiber tension potentials, werethe primary considerations for resistance
curves.

STRANGE BUT TRUE?
Resistance must remain highest during max potential FIBERTENSION movement
phases regardless of and/or at the expense of resistancelevels of weaker
useless, energy depleting fiber tension movement phases! As the typical set
progresses and fatigue accumulates FULL ROM IS NOTONLY NOT BENEFICIAL BUT
MOST OFTEN DETRIMENTAL TO MAX TENSILE HYPERTROPHYAND HYPERTROPHY STRENGTH
GAINS....................

One study1��.demonstrated that � strength training at the shortest
weakest fiber tensionphase did not transfer to ��.. strength gains at this
movement phase. �Thegains in strength were at long muscle lengths, with little
change instrength at the short test lengths. (WHICH ARE OFTEN WHERE THE
HIGHESTMEASUREABLE FORCES ARE, BENCH SQUAT�telle) As the training involvedthe
same relative ��.. loading of the muscle through the full range ofmovement�
that is, in relation to the angle-torque relation� proportionalincreases
would be expected at all muscle lengths.�

In other words the strength gains (hypertrophy?) werelimited to the longer
muscle lengths despite (isometric) training andtesting over the full range
of movement.

A mild relatively safe (no extraeccentrics at start of set but only during
greatly fatigued phases), exampleusing the time tested 7,7,7 curl scenario
with changes:
* AT TRAINING - NOT MAX INTENSITIES stopping 1-2 reps short of total
failure at each stage.
1.the first 7-12 reps should be full curl movements, 2. thenext
7-12 reps should be bottom 1/2 of movements! 3. Next, shorter and shorter
partial movements until no movement isexpressed until movement stops.
4.Next cheating the bar 1/3 of way up and controlling the negative
furtherextends the set and benefits. 5. Lastly:
holding the bar in the stretched position until the thing drops.
����..
��..Wasting huge amounts of (nervous?) system energy to�lock out�
presses, deadlifts or squats �locks you out� of highest fibertensions, lower EIC
partial movements, extended set training. Forget the fullROM force reps
and do shorter and shorter EIC ROMS. This is �ALWAYS� during the �EICEIC�
Eccentric, Isometric,Concentric movement phase ROM partials

���..The best exercise resistance equals,either as a percent of max
(eccentric) and max concentric effort force, thepotential highest internal
muscle fibers tensions NOT thehighest external force curve expressions. This is �
ALWAYS�during the �EICEIC� Eccentric, Isometric, Concentricmovement
phase.

���.As fatigue accumulates the EIC ROM decreases indegrees, scope,
extent, all the way down from complete ROM to no movement andthe meagerest of
eccentric tensions.

FOOTNOTES.
1. Graves JE, Pollock ML, JONES ARTHUR E, et al. Specificityof limited
range of motion variable resistance training. Med Sci Sports Exerc1989;21:84�9

7. Jones could produce no records to have derived his variableresistance
cam profiles. He claimed to have

1. measured the max isometric (resistance not moving) forceexpressions of
groups of untrained peoples at many positions over the entireROM (range of
movement/motion) AND with rests between efforts. This wasimpossible. This
is because for many back exercises the start of movementstrength is 4-5 X�s
higher than end of movement strength. His resistanceincreases not decreases
over the lifting ROM of every exercise.
2. he believed in increasing resistance to the �FULLYCONTRACTED� CIE top
position, where the interrelating tension developingactin/myosin elements
were in greatest contact -- interface to the greatestdegree -- at absolutely
the lowest fiber tensions��..
He carried thisidea: a. disregardingreams of even his own, if he
in fact did any, isometric test data..
b. disregarding the tension-length phenomenon firstdiscovered by Blitz in
18?? see above and
c. incorrectly misinterpreting the �ALL or NONE� process anda number of
other concepts.
I remember writing to him when I first redesigned the camsto control for
fatigue (somewhat) in the early �70�s, I also remember writingto him with
my research machine data in the mid 80�s -- no reply.
After I had built and researched the entire mess by the mideighties I
finally began to really understand the complexity and immensevariability of
force, tension and resistance ����.
??????
Jerry Telle

Lakewood CO USA

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Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:49 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Jerry Telle"

Hi John,

Nice response. It is obvious to me and anyone who knows me how I grew to hate him and everything he stood for. His massively condescending, threatening, name calling (everyone is an idiot who does not understand my concepts or " �few, if any, of whom could find their own a-- if given 29 attempts with a bright ligh.....," or child abusing (his son GARY who was about 10X's smarter then he was -- and who probably was the convincing force for using a cam. Not to mention ignorance and blatant lying makes him # 1` on my ----- list.

I really don't care if he grossed more monies than any other in history -- what did he stand for?....... " He certainly didn't do any of this for others benefit - only his own. He certainly didn't practice science or add to knowledge -- he told ? "that the world was mine to do as I pleased." . . �BULL---T BAFFLES BRAINS" ROACH 383 or "CONFUSE or lie so convincingly and often that these morons will eventually believe anything I tell them". --- Jones �There aren�t any experts in any field. There are people who are arrogant enough to announce they�re expert. There are other people who are dumb enough to believe them� OR ROACH PG 388 "anyone not understanding him was to stupid to realize they were stupid!! "did he not understand how delusional he was? But then that is the definition of delusional. His success is only indicative of how ignorant, compliant, intimidated and fearful the general populace and especially related science was -- who seemed to believe everything he said without any presented test results or facts AND who did not do any replication studies -- the very heart of scientific inquiry and how long it took science to challenge him and his pack of "self evident truths/lies.

Here's a great one -- all of this from ROACHS GREAT "MUSCLE, SMOKE AND MIRRORS" VOL II Arthur loves and promotes Hoffers book as if it were his bible. Jones admiringly relates Hoffers beliefs �most people considered themselves to be idiots; and, he said, that might well be their own opinion. So they spend their lives in vain attempt to find some sort of guru, somebody to lead them by the hand to the Promised Land. But he also pointed out the fact that the followers must never believe that they actually understand their �cause. � because they feel, if not simple enough for an idiot such as themselves to understand then it is obviously of no value. So they seek the mysterious, the unknowable, the paradise known only to their guru. Thus religion, thus politics, thus the law; none of which have anything in common with either intelligence or justice�.

And so on approaching infinity--------

Jerry Telle
Lakewood CO USA

-----Original Message-----
From: John Casler <bioforce.inc@gte.net>
To: Supertraining <Supertraining@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:38 am
Subject: RE: [Supertraining] TELLE VS JONES

Subject: [Supertraining] TELLE VS JONES

Jerry Telle wrote:

Dear Supertrainers,
Below are my latest thoughts on resistance training. I havepresented these
over the years, apparently to no avail, to some of the biggest names
inresearch and physiology.
It is now glaringly apparent that unless one has a stronglifting background
that they will have no idea what they are researching andresults they find.
Hatfield is a huge example of this. Fred is only about 10X'ssmarter than
Arthur Jones of Nautilus fame, who many still believe to be adesign genius.
He was actually a moron when it came to research and design --telling more
lies and exaggerations along the way than a most any of us fromthat era are
willing to believe.

FOOTNOTES.
1. Graves JE, Pollock ML, JONES ARTHUR E, et al. Specificityof limited range
of motion variable resistance training. Med Sci Sports Exerc1989;21:84-9

7. Jones could produce no records to have derived his variableresistance cam
profiles. He claimed to have

1. measured the max isometric (resistance not moving) forceexpressions of
groups of untrained peoples at many positions over the entireROM (range of
movement/motion) AND with rests between efforts. This wasimpossible. This is
because for many back exercises the start of movementstrength is 4-5 X's
higher than end of movement strength. His resistanceincreases not decreases
over the lifting ROM of every exercise.
2. he believed in increasing resistance to the "FULLYCONTRACTED" CIE top
position, where the interrelating tension developingactin/myosin elements
were in greatest contact -- interface to the greatestdegree -- at absolutely
the lowest fiber tensions....
He carried thisidea:
a. disregardingreams of even his own, if he in fact did any, isometric test
data..
b. disregarding the tension-length phenomenon firstdiscovered by Blitz in
18?? see above and c. incorrectly misinterpreting the "ALL or NONE" process
anda number of other concepts.
I remember writing to him when I first redesigned the camsto control for
fatigue (somewhat) in the early '70's, I also remember writingto him with my
research machine data in the mid 80's -- no reply.
After I had built and researched the entire mess by the mideighties I
finally began to really understand the complexity and immensevariability of
force, tension and resistance .....

John Casler writes:

Hi Jerry, I too was somewhat enamored with Jones, Nautilus and the seemingly
more organized and scientific path he was following.

Eventually, I lost that feeling and respect as I realized that he had
followed a very limited path (isolation, and minimal stimulation) that
"seemed" to be well reasoned, but upon scrutinization was very off the mark.

While I did and still do enjoy His and other's exercise machines for what
they are, I do not subscribe to a large portion of what was expressed back
then as reasonable, logical, or fact.

That said, when Fitness, Athletics, and Strength Conditioning become your
lifestyle, the exploration of what he wanted to do, and eventually did, is
impressive, even if it was a technological step backward. There are MANY
goals to Loaded Force and Strength Training, and some tools are maybe better
than others, or even if they are not, they still provide benefit.

However, when you move from machines to principles and programs the world
expands exponentially and as you noted in a complex manner. In most of the
Jonesean principles and programs you will certainly serve many who are
simply looking for some basic strength and muscle gains. However, when you
move to the more advanced and athletic needs of Strength Conditioning, the
pathways are too restricted by those machines and principles.

In the end, I was MOST IMPRESSED with his business accomplishments and
overall effect he had on the commercial fitness industry. For decades, the
cammed machines he and imitators built dominated the nations (and world's)
health clubs. THAT IS IMPRESSIVE!! (even though it was regressive
technologically to the some of the REAL goals, it served others)

Regards,

John Casler
TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems
Century City, CA

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