Saturday 13 October 2012

[Supertraining] Digest Number 4615

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Digest #4615
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Re: The Race that Shocked the World by "Giovanni Ciriani" gciriani
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Re: The Race that Shocked the World by "Ralph Giarnella" ragiarn
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Re: The Race that Shocked the World by "Ralph Giarnella" ragiarn
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Re: The Race that Shocked the World by "CoachJ1@aol.com" coachj12002
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Calf tear by "Perez, Miguel" metalhead2_mx

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Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Giovanni Ciriani" gciriani

Charlie Francis was indeed a great coach. It's ironic and bitter sweet that
we are discovering only now he had much higher integrity of most other
coaches.
Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 12:24 PM, <CoachJ1@aol.com> wrote:

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> The Race that Shocked the World appeared on the BBC awhile back. ESPN's
> 30 for 30 recently broadcast 9.79.
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> As Shane McNeil noted:
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> "The race in Seoul is seeing a renaissance of sorts thanks to 9.79*. The
> film takes a look at the Final 24 years later in the context of
> information
> released since that changes the narrative that was once perceived as a
> cheating Johnson blowing away a clean field."
> As ESPN's Mike Fish noted in talking about one of the key figures in the
> scandal, legendary Coach Charlie Francis:
> "Francis didn't run from the truth, though. Unlike recent developments
> that
> have seen some prominent U.S. athletes and coaches facing perjury charges
> after being questioned by federal investigators and even by Congress, he
> didn't deny his connection to steroids.
> When Canadian authorities impaneled the Dubin Inquiry to investigate the
> doping scandal after Seoul, Francis was the first witness called,
> testifying
> for eight days. He acknowledged responsibility for introducing Johnson to
> performance-enhancing drugs. He helped set the tone for the hearings when
> he
> testified to the widespread use of drugs. As the late Charles Dubin wrote
> of Francis in his 638-page report: "He believed that the majority of world
> records broken in sprint events in recent years were achieved by athletes
> who were on steroids and that the dramatic improvement of their
> performance
> could only be explained in that way. In his opinion, in order to compete
> successfully against those athletes at the very top level, an athlete had
> to
> take steroids."
> Ken Jakalski
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> Lisle,Illinois
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> USA
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Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:51 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Ralph Giarnella" ragiarn

[quote] In his opinion, in order to compete 
successfully against those athletes at the very top level, an athlete had to 
take steroids." [/quote] 

This has probably been the underlying thought process in athletics especially at the highest level. There is an interesting history of doping at the Tour De France dating back to 1903.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_at_the_Tour_de_France

The article is well worth reading even if you are not interested in cycling. It gives a great insight into performance enhancing drugs in athletics going back 100 years. The question may be asked is not "who was not doping but who won and was not caught doping".  

Ralph Giarnella MD
Southington Ct. USA 

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From: "CoachJ1@aol.com" <CoachJ1@aol.com>
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:24 PM
Subject: [Supertraining] The Race that Shocked the World


 
The Race that Shocked the World appeared on the BBC awhile back. ESPN's
30 for 30 recently broadcast 9.79.

As Shane McNeil noted:

"The race in Seoul is seeing a renaissance of sorts thanks to 9.79*. The
film takes a look at the Final 24 years later in the context of information
released since that changes the narrative that was once perceived as a
cheating Johnson blowing away a clean field."
As ESPN's Mike Fish noted in talking about one of the key figures in the
scandal, legendary Coach Charlie Francis:
"Francis didn't run from the truth, though. Unlike recent developments that
have seen some prominent U.S. athletes and coaches facing perjury charges
after being questioned by federal investigators and even by Congress, he
didn't deny his connection to steroids.
When Canadian authorities impaneled the Dubin Inquiry to investigate the
doping scandal after Seoul, Francis was the first witness called, testifying
for eight days. He acknowledged responsibility for introducing Johnson to
performance-enhancing drugs. He helped set the tone for the hearings when he
testified to the widespread use of drugs. As the late Charles Dubin wrote
of Francis in his 638-page report: "He believed that the majority of world
records broken in sprint events in recent years were achieved by athletes
who were on steroids and that the dramatic improvement of their performance
could only be explained in that way. In his opinion, in order to compete
successfully against those athletes at the very top level, an athlete had to
take steroids."
Ken Jakalski

Lisle,Illinois

USA

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Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:58 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"JRTELLE@AOL.COM"

Ken!! What's your take?

And I watched w/ great interest that fellow racing in the Olympics w/ artificial legs!! Remembering our conversations I think this will soon border on excessive advantage?? And I didn't notice much "pogo sticking'? But more linear forces??

Jerry telle lakewood CO USA

-----Original Message-----
From: CoachJ1 <CoachJ1@aol.com>
To: Supertraining <Supertraining@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 9:28 am
Subject: [Supertraining] The Race that Shocked the World

The Race that Shocked the World appeared on the BBC awhile back. ESPN's
30 for 30 recently broadcast 9.79.

As Shane McNeil noted:

"The race in Seoul is seeing a renaissance of sorts thanks to 9.79*. The
film takes a look at the Final 24 years later in the context of information
released since that changes the narrative that was once perceived as a
cheating Johnson blowing away a clean field."
As ESPN's Mike Fish noted in talking about one of the key figures in the
scandal, legendary Coach Charlie Francis:
"Francis didn't run from the truth, though. Unlike recent developments that
have seen some prominent U.S. athletes and coaches facing perjury charges
after being questioned by federal investigators and even by Congress, he
didn't deny his connection to steroids.
When Canadian authorities impaneled the Dubin Inquiry to investigate the
doping scandal after Seoul, Francis was the first witness called, testifying
for eight days. He acknowledged responsibility for introducing Johnson to
performance-enhancing drugs. He helped set the tone for the hearings when he
testified to the widespread use of drugs. As the late Charles Dubin wrote
of Francis in his 638-page report: "He believed that the majority of world
records broken in sprint events in recent years were achieved by athletes
who were on steroids and that the dramatic improvement of their performance
could only be explained in that way. In his opinion, in order to compete
successfully against those athletes at the very top level, an athlete had to
take steroids."
Ken Jakalski

Lisle,Illinois

USA

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Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:59 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Ralph Giarnella" ragiarn

Just came across this article re: Lance Armstrong and doping. It may be relevant to this present discussion.

http://ideas.time.com/2012/10/12/lance-armstrong-had-little-choice-but-to-dope/

One of my patients, who is now a football coach, told me recently, that when he was playing high school football, 20 years ago, there was extensive use of PEDs in some local high school football programs.

I certainly don't condone or excuse the use of PEDs in sports, but are we naive enough to think that, especially at the highest level of sports, some form of PEDs are being used to gain that little edge necessary to keep an individual near the top?

The problem in cycling is that if they strip LA of his TDF titles who are they going to give them to? Most of the runner ups have already been implicated or proven to have used PEDS.

Ralph Giarnella MD
Southington Ct. USA

--- On Thu, 10/11/12, CoachJ1@aol.com <CoachJ1@aol.com> wrote:

> From: CoachJ1@aol.com <CoachJ1@aol.com>
> Subject: [Supertraining] The Race that Shocked the World
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> "The race in Seoul is seeing a renaissance of sorts
> thanks to 9.79*. The
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> film takes a look at the Final 24 years later in the
> context of information
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> released since that changes the narrative that was once
> perceived as a
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> cheating Johnson blowing away a clean field."
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> As ESPN's Mike Fish noted in talking about one of the
> key figures in the
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> scandal, legendary Coach Charlie Francis:
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> "Francis didn't run from the truth, though. Unlike
> recent developments that
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> have seen some prominent U.S. athletes and coaches facing
> perjury charges
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> after being questioned by federal investigators and even by
> Congress, he
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> didn't deny his connection to steroids.
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> When Canadian authorities impaneled the Dubin Inquiry to
> investigate the
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> doping scandal after Seoul, Francis was the first witness
> called, testifying
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> for eight days. He acknowledged responsibility for
> introducing Johnson to
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> performance-enhancing drugs. He helped set the tone for the
> hearings when he
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> testified to the widespread use of drugs. As the late
> Charles Dubin wrote
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> of Francis in his 638-page report: "He believed that
> the majority of world
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> records broken in sprint events in recent years were
> achieved by athletes
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> who were on steroids and that the dramatic improvement of
> their performance
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> could only be explained in that way. In his opinion, in
> order to compete
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> successfully against those athletes at the very top level,
> an athlete had to
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> take steroids."
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Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:59 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"CoachJ1@aol.com" coachj12002

Hi Giovanni!

In a message dated 10/13/2012 12:51:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
Giovanni.Ciriani@Gmail.com writes:

Charlie Francis was indeed a great coach. It's ironic and bitter sweet that
we are discovering only now he had much higher integrity of most other
coaches.

Good points, and good description.

As Robert Armstrong,lead counsel in the now famous Dubin inquiry noted:

"I have to tip my hat to Charlie Francis. He broke the rules but, for
whatever reason, at the end of the day he decided to come clean and in his own
way became a bit of a heroic figure. And like a lot of heroes, he also
became a tragic figure at the same time."

Charlie's story will always be complicated. Those who knew him well, like
sprinter Angela Issajenko, always held him in the highest regard. Issajenko
thought Charlie was brilliant. Her comments indicated that she loved him,
and believed everything he said to her. "Charlie was the most amazing
person in the world to me. I want to hold onto the amazing memories and cherish
them,"

My experiences with Charlie go back to my early Supertraining years.
Despite some dustups generated by the JAP2000 study, Charlie always treated me
well. Those who knew Charlie more intimately, like Tom Green, always felt
that there wasn't a whole lot of difference between what we were both saying
relative to training issues.

To this day, Charlie remains the one coach I quote most often.

Ken Jakalski
Lisle High School
Lisle, IL USA

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Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:51 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Perez, Miguel" metalhead2_mx

All,

I tore a calf six days ago doing standing calf raises - positive using both feet, negative only one foot. This was at the end of a rather severe leg workout so I was very well warmed up, and it was a weight I had used before. It went on the first rep. Twang! I screamed, dropped the weight, grabbed my calf, and hopscotched home.

Bruising is very tenuous, and the swelling isn't that horrific. The calf only measures half or three-quarters of an inch more than normal, but this has been slow to subside and actually obscures details so I'm still not able to tell if there is disfiguration, if a part of the muscle bunched up, rolled up, or slid sideways. There are no bumps, and no loose ribbons of muscle tissue that I can detect.

The tear seems to have taken place along the gastroc/soleus tie-in, across the back and inner face of the calf. The Achilles tendon is unaffected. There is a lot of stiffness and noticeable pain when getting up after being seated for more than a few minutes, but I can walk almost normally after moving around or simply standing for a short while. In truth, I've suffered much more intense pain several times from simply the DOMS derived from an excessive calf workout. Still, I want to make sure this heals right.

I haven't seen a doctor. I'm not taking any anti-inflammatories, painkillers, or anything such. I haven't wrapped or bandaged the leg in any way, not am I wearing any kind of splint or support. My focus has been simply on eating a lot of protein (raw material!) and on keeping the area working so there is good blood flow around the injury and so as to keep stiffness away. I was able to get in a decent leg workout yesterday without any acute pain - although in hindsight, doing a high-rep set of seated calf raises without weight did more harm than good and caused the inflammation to worsen marginally today.

Has anyone else here suffered a similar tear, and if so could you please offer any insight or suggestions? What about time to recovery?

Thanks,

Miguel Pérez
Reynosa, Mexico

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Friday 12 October 2012

[Relationship-Talk] Re: Player or asshole

 


Hi, I am new to the group and I just read this advice you gave... it sounds so real and wonderful, that I thought you could help me with my problem.

I am in my second marriage.... this time I thought I chose right. He was sweet and caring while we were dating. We have been married less than 6 months and his behaviour has completely changed.

He has become manipulating... if I do not say the correct thing, he threatens with leaving me. My best friend is very ill and has to have surgery, he never asks about her, only causes drama, and gives me ZERO support in my life or my problems.

But he says he loves me so much and is crazy about me.
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> cheat on their partners. Men in particular seem to have a stronger drive for
> this; arguments could be made that due too their hormone tetosterone makes them
> far more inclined to cheat as their basic instinctual urges to mate with as many
> people as they can is part of what it is to me a male. Men are different than
> woman and often their instincts conflict with how society has put restraints on
> the natural behavior of men and some woman also.
> Regardless, staying true to one partner is a choice. People get many of their
> physical/sexual , mental, spiritual needs met with a partner.
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> We are attracted often to people who have lessons to teach us and often when
> those lessons are learned people can grow apart to leaarn new life lessons with
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> Ask yourself why you got in the relationship with your partner in the first
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> areas in your life seem lacking that you are not getting from your partner but
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> What is your relationship with your partner, how can the relationship be better
> for you and her. I sounds like you have many more things you could do to
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> stop judging yourself and make the choices you need to be happy. Have an honest
> discussion with your partner about your relationsip and having your and her
> needs better met may help you see what to do.
> Stop the blame game and get to why you do what you do.
> No one can tell you what you should do but you. Be an adult, ask adult questions
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Hi,
My name is Rosa and I am new to this group.
I joined because I am in serious relationship advice and also to make some friends hopefully.
I am in my second marriage and thought this time I had made the correct choice... But once again I am being manipulated, taken for granted, and disrespected.
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[marriagerestoration] DDD Oct 12th 2012 " Just Like David "

 

Like David, We Can Slay This Goliath

But what are we going to do to change this situation? . . .to come
face to face with our Goliath... to come face to face with those
mountains. . to come face to face with the Goliaths in our marriage?
What are we going to do? Not just to run away from them or to bury
them, but to wait for healing and restoration. To trust God, no
matter what. To be obedient while waiting, not to be like-minded as
your prodigals. When it comes right down to it, to take back that
which the devil has stolen from us, our marriages, to kill that
thought, that idea, that situation which is in our lives that stands
before us as Goliath stood before David?

Four things that you and I can do as well (I've talked about this
before. Four things that David did.

1. He called out this giant's name. He called him by name. He gave a
name to this enemy that stood in his path. And that's a critical
thing to do with those obstacles in our lives. Sometimes they are
only here in our lives at the level of emotion. We never fully speak
about the pain that we are going through, but how critical that is if
we are to deal with the obstacles and the giants in our lives.

You can begin to deal with it, so name your giant. Call it out by
name. "The Healing and Restoration of your Marriage." "Who is this
uncircumcised Philistine who defies the armies of Israel, the living
God?" And all of a sudden that giant shrinks down to size. A
critical thing for us to do, for you and me to do, as David did.


2. The next thing David did was to cast aside the naysayers. His
brothers spoke to him as only older children can do to their younger
siblings: they can put you down, tell you you can't do this, you
can't do that. And there are all kinds of people who will tell you
that you should get on with your life or file for a divorce
(Remember, Jesus was NEVER for divorce.). Be careful who you listen
to in the face of the naysayers around you and the giants you have to
face. We can do more than we think. Having Jesus on our side, we
can do all things. Also, we cannot lose. We are on the winning side.

3. Which leads to the third thing that David did. He created
comparisons. Comparisons by which to compare this unique situation
that he had to deal with, to compare it with other situations he had
dealt with in his past. "I killed lions. I protected my sheep. I've
dealt with the bears. It's not quite like Goliath, but it's close
enough to know that I can do it again." Close enough to know that we
can do it again. He used his mind to take this situation and say, "I
can get this far. Maybe I can get the whole way." I am not giving
up.

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[Supertraining] Digest Number 4614

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Digest #4614
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The Race that Shocked the World by "CoachJ1@aol.com" coachj12002

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Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:27 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"CoachJ1@aol.com" coachj12002

The Race that Shocked the World appeared on the BBC awhile back. ESPN's
30 for 30 recently broadcast 9.79.

As Shane McNeil noted:

"The race in Seoul is seeing a renaissance of sorts thanks to 9.79*. The
film takes a look at the Final 24 years later in the context of information
released since that changes the narrative that was once perceived as a
cheating Johnson blowing away a clean field."
As ESPN's Mike Fish noted in talking about one of the key figures in the
scandal, legendary Coach Charlie Francis:
"Francis didn't run from the truth, though. Unlike recent developments that
have seen some prominent U.S. athletes and coaches facing perjury charges
after being questioned by federal investigators and even by Congress, he
didn't deny his connection to steroids.
When Canadian authorities impaneled the Dubin Inquiry to investigate the
doping scandal after Seoul, Francis was the first witness called, testifying
for eight days. He acknowledged responsibility for introducing Johnson to
performance-enhancing drugs. He helped set the tone for the hearings when he
testified to the widespread use of drugs. As the late Charles Dubin wrote
of Francis in his 638-page report: "He believed that the majority of world
records broken in sprint events in recent years were achieved by athletes
who were on steroids and that the dramatic improvement of their performance
could only be explained in that way. In his opinion, in order to compete
successfully against those athletes at the very top level, an athlete had to
take steroids."
Ken Jakalski

Lisle,Illinois

USA

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